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jukk0u
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Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21291
Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Arisaka wrote: But the thread immediately got derailed into bitching about Brad, and nobody posted the practices of other gun shops.
Debating the rationale behind an action needn't be seen as merely "bitching" or insulting. It seems to me that there has only been constructive criticism and discussion however uncomfortable the subject. (at least that's where I'm coming from)> the only parties I have seen acting unreasonably would be the LE that told him to go do THEIR job once they returned the tardy denial.
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Wed May 15, 2019 1:41 pm |
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The509busman
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Location: Pasco Washington Joined: Fri Nov 9, 2018 Posts: 406
Real Name: Scott
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AR15L wrote: The509busman wrote: two of the three have had their interns call me and they both are now very confused and going to” keep looking into it” we will see. That = GFY I would agree with that except..... I live on the east side and our legislators HATE Seattle and the entire coast lol.
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Wed May 15, 2019 1:47 pm |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19468
Real Name: Rick
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The509busman wrote: AR15L wrote: The509busman wrote: two of the three have had their interns call me and they both are now very confused and going to” keep looking into it” we will see. That = GFY I would agree with that except..... I live on the east side and our legislators HATE Seattle and the entire coast lol. Most everyone on WaGuns does too!
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Wed May 15, 2019 1:58 pm |
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ViniVidivici
Location: Puyallup Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 Posts: 3076
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Are we all in on a July 2nd (or therabouts) buy-up? I'm in!
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:18 pm |
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Mr. Q
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Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3042
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Absolutely. I’m definitely in. I might have to buy several...
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:19 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52067
Real Name: Steve
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No additional info on training is out there yet ... so hopefully FFLs will simply go by the law as it now stands. If you hand them a training certificate that meets those requirements, hopefully they will accept it.
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Wed May 15, 2019 3:25 pm |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19468
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MadPick wrote: No additional info on training is out there yet ... so hopefully FFLs will simply go by the law as it now stands. If you hand them a training certificate that meets those requirements, hopefully they will accept it. I'm going to play the dumb guy here but where do I get to read the requirements?
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Wed May 15, 2019 4:17 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52067
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AR15L wrote: MadPick wrote: No additional info on training is out there yet ... so hopefully FFLs will simply go by the law as it now stands. If you hand them a training certificate that meets those requirements, hopefully they will accept it. I'm going to play the dumb guy here but where do I get to read the requirements? Use the Google. Get the text of Initiative 1639.
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Wed May 15, 2019 5:23 pm |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19468
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Quote: (a) The purchaser provides proof that he or she has completed a recognized firearm safety training program within the last five years that, at a minimum, includes instruction on: (i) Basic firearms safety rules; (ii) Firearms and children, including secure gun storage and talking to children about gun safety; (iii) Firearms and suicide prevention; (iv) Secure gun storage to prevent unauthorized access and use; (v) Safe handling of firearms; and (vi) State and federal firearms laws, including prohibited firearms transfers. The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training. The proof of training shall be in the form of a certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training included the minimum requirements OK, got it.
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Wed May 15, 2019 6:08 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52067
Real Name: Steve
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Exactly. So if I show up at the gun store with a certificate that meets those requirements, I sure hope they’ll accept it without the “need” to have more requirements levied by government agencies.
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Wed May 15, 2019 6:32 pm |
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Bxc53
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Location: Lynden Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 Posts: 725
Real Name: Brian
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I’m admittedly coming in late, but has “ A recognized firearm training program” been defined? If not I foresee a big SNAFU inbound..
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Wed May 15, 2019 6:56 pm |
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Nitro_Guns
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Location: Lynnwood Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2011 Posts: 2499
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AR15L wrote: Quote: (a) The purchaser provides proof that he or she has completed a recognized firearm safety training program within the last five years that, at a minimum, includes instruction on: (i) Basic firearms safety rules; (ii) Firearms and children, including secure gun storage and talking to children about gun safety; (iii) Firearms and suicide prevention; (iv) Secure gun storage to prevent unauthorized access and use; (v) Safe handling of firearms; and (vi) State and federal firearms laws, including prohibited firearms transfers. The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training. The proof of training shall be in the form of a certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training included the minimum requirements OK, got it. Seems fairly straight forward as long as the "certificate" states clearly that it covered all 6 of the basics. The interesting times will be had when the certificate either isn't clear about stating the above or only covers 5 of the 6. Oh boy....let the fun begin.....
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Wed May 15, 2019 7:03 pm |
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17820
Real Name: Chuck
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With PowerPoint, I can create some very nice certificates.
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Wed May 15, 2019 7:27 pm |
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joao01
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Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8645
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Sporting Systems in Vancouver posted yesterday they've got training certificates.
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Pablo
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Location: Everson, WA Joined: Sun Jan 6, 2013 Posts: 28190
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joao01 wrote: Sporting Systems in Vancouver posted yesterday they've got training certificates. How much? I just need one.
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