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Terrible tragedy and loss of life to be sure. But perhaps some lessons can be pulled from the ashes?

Firstly, I'm reassured that lugging my GHB around with me for so long hasn't been a totaly futile or misguided exercise. But this fire has made me reassess what I carry with an eye to preparing for a slightly longer "inconvenience". Have you altered what you carry in your car or GHB?

We saw how roads were impassible. How many folks died in their car seats. While that may or may not be an issue in an EQ, how does this affect your ideas about travel and relocation?

Did this event "bring it home" that a natural disaster is something for which to prepare or was it just another event that made you suck your teeth and mumble "sux to be them"?

What lessons might be learned? Please share.

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Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:44 am
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jukk0u wrote:
What lessons might be learned? Please share.


First lesson learned should be LEAVE AT THE FIRST WARNING AND DON'T FART AROUND TRYING TO SAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN PEOPLE AND IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS!

The people should be trained for an immediate evacuation as to what they grab and how fast they need to get to the vehicle.

Important documents should be in a ready to go portable fire safe.

Vehicle should have at a minimum some emergency water on board and ready to go.


With natural disasters like fire, speed of evacuation is about the only way to survive. Don't be in the gridlock, be ahead of it.


When all is said and done, many of those who perished will fall into two categories. The elderly and infirm who had no way to flee on their own and those who ignored the early evacuation warnings.

Going forward I think people will be on the move as soon as they smell smoke when all the grass and timber around them is as dry as CA has been for the last several years. Evac warnings will come sooner as well.

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deadshot2 wrote:
jukk0u wrote:
What lessons might be learned? Please share.


First lesson learned should be LEAVE AT THE FIRST WARNING AND DON'T FART AROUND TRYING TO SAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN PEOPLE AND IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS!



This is a lesson many learned in the east during hurricane season, too.

Unfortunately, some of those caught in the fires had gone back in harm's way and were trying to save elderly folks who hadn't heard the warnings or weren't able to get themselves out.

While the importance of an early evac in the face of a looming storm or fire is valid, an earthquake doesn't come with such warning and time to react. I wonder about reaction time during a volcanic eruption? (Do you all carry a respirator and/or dust masks in you cars?)

In light of that, how do y'all view evacuation AFTER an EQ? Do you plan on trying to wait out the damage to infrastructure and participate in reconstruction? Or do you feel even that would be a tenuous situation to survive or endure?

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Easy. Dont live in the fuckin city.


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I hope that the California fiasco brings home the reason that Firewise and other fire prevention plans need to be done instead of just yapped about. I doubt that it will make a difference as most people are so lazy. I was on White Pass doing what I could choking in the smoke as I had my burning done so I could set up waterlines and extend firebreaks where I could.


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deadshot2 wrote:
jukk0u wrote:
What lessons might be learned? Please share.


First lesson learned should be LEAVE AT THE FIRST WARNING AND DON'T FART AROUND TRYING TO SAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN PEOPLE AND IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS!

The people should be trained for an immediate evacuation as to what they grab and how fast they need to get to the vehicle.

Important documents should be in a ready to go portable fire safe.

Vehicle should have at a minimum some emergency water on board and ready to go.


With natural disasters like fire, speed of evacuation is about the only way to survive. Don't be in the gridlock, be ahead of it.


When all is said and done, many of those who perished will fall into two categories. The elderly and infirm who had no way to flee on their own and those who ignored the early evacuation warnings.

Going forward I think people will be on the move as soon as they smell smoke when all the grass and timber around them is as dry as CA has been for the last several years. Evac warnings will come sooner as well.


Ill just reply to yours since you and I think pretty much the same :)

1) Definitely. Dont F around. If its heading your way just pack up and leave. A hotel room might be an annoyance at the time but not if things actually go south.
2) Yup. Know what you MUST have so you dont dilly daddle going through stuff.
3) Im not a fan of most portable safes but have them at least in an easy to grab setup. Folders, bin, ect inside a safe. Also (and some might disagree), keep a digital copy of important stuff. Either scanned and saved to a flash drive or backed up and stored somewhere you trust (parents house for example). Maybe not your social security paperwork and stuff along those lines. But copies of receipts for expensive items and the such
4) Emergency water, flahslight, and blanket at a minimum. Plus keeping the car above half a tank so if you do have to evacuate you arent joining everyone else at the pumps. Keeping 5-10 gallons of gas at home isnt a bad idea either. Either top fill the car before you go or to just take with you.


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If the state or feds lands are not properly managed, mother nature will do it for you. She doesnt care about endangered species or human life. Blame should be placed at the feet of the left's tree huggers and thier politicians.


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Lesson one - don't live in California.

Lesson two - you better be ready to look after you and yours because that is all you can count on for help.

Lesson three - if you are going to live in a fire prone area, build as if fire will be there next fire season.

Huh ? Well, how about an underground bunker with all your irreplaceable, food and water stored with air filtration ?

What about building a home using metal studs, cement or metal siding, concrete patios instead of wood decks, sheet metal roofing.

How about a large water storage tank hooked up to sprinklers for watering down the home and yard perimeter.

How about fire breaking the home with low ground cover landscaping only, attacking all undergrowth within an acre of the house to eliminate fuels.

How about pruning all tree branches up 15-20 feet from ground level to prevent ground fire from laddering up into tree tops, and all kinds of other stuff like that there ?

Look after yourself by doing as much as you can to protect you and yours from becoming another insurance claim and shitty FEMA trailer story.

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Mankind is somewhat arrogant to think he can change earth/mother nature.

This area has burned for thousands of years or more. Just a little south of here lies the Giant Sequoias. These trees depend on fire to open their cones and reproduce. This tree didn't learn this in one generation. It EVOLVED over thousands of years to do this.

This area is so prone to fires that one of the most favored trees in the area actually are declining because of a LACK of fire.


Regular small scale burns are GREAT for nature. HUGE fires are not.

Either evolve or perish. You will not win a judgement in "nature court".


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If the state or feds lands are not properly managed, mother nature will do it for you. She doesnt care about endangered species or human life. Blame should be placed at the feet of the left's tree huggers and thier politicians.


Ya, I think poor forest management does have a lot to do with this.
Need to clear cut some fire breaks and do back burning so you can contain the fires.
Doesn't look as good as a pristine forest, but looks better than miles of scorched ground void of vegetation.
Most states use inmate labor at a buck an hour or so.
Plus they can sell the harvested timber, can't see it costing anything.....probably make money off it.
WA DOC has a half dozen forestry camps.

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Easy. Dont live in the fuckin city.


Isn’t the fact they didn’t live in the city the exact reason they got trapped to begin with?

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Easy. Dont live in the fuckin city.


Isn’t the fact they didn’t live in the city the exact reason they got trapped to begin with?



Let me be more specific, don't live in a housing development the size of a small city.

Sure it looks like the woods, but its like a huge version of Lake Cushman. THOUSANDS of folks living on camper sized lots with only a couple ways in and out.

This is the result of overcrowding.

Humans were meant to be spread out, not rub elbows by the thousands.


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