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Caveman Jim
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Annealing brass, At what point in the Reloading process should the brass cases be annealed? And is the annealing property diminished after the cases have been wet cleaned with stainless steel pins? I’m too lazy to do a search, it does not work all that well. Thanks in advance.
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:49 am |
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MadPick
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Anneal before resizing.
No, tumbling will not affect the annealing. Yes, you'll lose the color from annealing, but not the effect.
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Nitro_Guns
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My steps in the loading process.....
1) Tumble the fired brass so I am not running dirty brass thru the sizing die. 2) Anneal the brass 3) Re-size 4) Tumble brass if you need to remove sizing lube. 5) Prime 6) Charge 7) Seat bullet 8) Go shoot something 9) Start over at #1
Note: I anneal my brass after every three firings.
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:16 pm |
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sportsdad60
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.223 I anneal after every 5 Anything bigger I anneal every 3 firings.
I have some .223 that has been shot 20 times or more. Not one split neck. Annealing=GOOD!
Nitro, love the "Charles Brownson" avatar LOL!
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Caveman Jim
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Well that is encouraging to hear, thanks guys. So the LC brass I’ve been processing lately that is already annealed is good to go for 3-5 firings?
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:38 pm |
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Bilgetroll
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I gotta get started on this. Nitro are you still happy with your Gireaud annealers? Do you prefer the open flame or the induction?
My two highest volume calibers are .30-06 and 7x64 which are the same length and case head so there ought to be some set-up synergies there.
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:23 pm |
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Yondering
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Yep. It does depend a bit on your rifle and your dies, and how much that combination works the brass (for example, you can work the case neck a lot less with a bushing die, and a tight neck chamber is even better) but 3-5 firings is pretty common. If you see even one split neck though, then you're overdue for annealing or didn't do it thoroughly enough.
Keep in mind that "annealing" as we do it for cartridges is not really full annealing of the brass, you don't want to overheat it and make it dead soft, just remove most of the spring and hardness.
As others said, do it before resizing. Only exception is if you're forming brass, like making 6mm cases from a 6.5, etc, then usually it's better to do that first, then anneal and final size after that.
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:36 pm |
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Nitro_Guns
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Bilgetroll wrote: I gotta get started on this. Nitro are you still happy with your Gireaud annealers? Do you prefer the open flame or the induction?
My two highest volume calibers are .30-06 and 7x64 which are the same length and case head so there ought to be some set-up synergies there. I still use both type of annealers. The Giraud is hard to beat for the $$$. My AMP annealer is very nice but damn they are more of a $$$ commitment. Open flame annealers are easy to use once you get your adjustments correct. Just remember that the propane annealers need to be "managed" throughout the process to keep the process consistent.
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:05 am |
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rumaco
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Keep it simple and don't put too much thought into it. I anneal mine before I clean it, send it through the wet tumbler, size it, and since I use lanolin and isopropal there is no need to tumble it to get lube off (just 100 at at time in a towel and simply rub it for a second) load it. It is as simple as you want to make it, or as hard. Blue flame tip at neck and shoulder for 5 seconds will produce the 750 degrees you need. Many people put way too much thought into this process.
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:26 pm |
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Caveman Jim
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rumaco wrote: Keep it simple and don't put too much thought into it. I anneal mine before I clean it, send it through the wet tumbler, size it, and since I use lanolin and isopropal there is no need to tumble it to get lube off (just 100 at at time in a towel and simply rub it for a second) load it. It is as simple as you want to make it, or as hard. Blue flame tip at neck and shoulder for 5 seconds will produce the 750 degrees you need. Many people put way too much thought into this process. I too use the lanolin/Heet concoction for resizing, after I’m done I lay them out and spray some of the Heet (alcohol) on them and just roll them around a little bit to get it off.
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Caveman Jim
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Seeing as I am older and probably not going to go through 4-5 rotations of my 4000–5000 223/556 cases (that are already processed) in my lifetime so I’ll just pay/barter to have it done by a Pro, all at once.Any takers??? Just call me Hank Hill, I’ve got lots of propane and a warm shop. Attachment: A1086D5D-0FC9-41D6-B150-C531668D7809.jpeg
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_________________"You are either with us...as Americans. Or, You are against us. There is no IN BETWEEN." ??? "We cannot negotiate with those who say, 'What's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable.'" JFK "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” -Ben Franklin MadPick wrote: I don't think you beat your children enough.
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MadPick
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Caveman Jim wrote: Seeing as I am older and probably not going to go through 4-5 rotations of my 4000–5000 223/556 cases (that are already processed) in my lifetime so I’ll just pay/barter to have it done by a Pro, all at once.Any takers??? Or . . . why even bother annealing them? .223 brass is cheap, and you've got a ton of it. Just load it up and don't sweat it, is my vote.
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Nitro_Guns
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MadPick wrote: Caveman Jim wrote: Seeing as I am older and probably not going to go through 4-5 rotations of my 4000–5000 223/556 cases (that are already processed) in my lifetime so I’ll just pay/barter to have it done by a Pro, all at once.Any takers??? Or . . . why even bother annealing them? .223 brass is cheap, and you've got a ton of it. Just load it up and don't sweat it, is my vote. Silly boy, annealing is not only for brass life but more for consistent neck tension and the such. Case life isn't even a concern to me as far as annealing goes. It is just a side benefit. This is why I anneal.......... Top photo...Annealed. Bottom photo...Unannealed Both are 10 round groups fired on the same day at 200 yards. The only difference in the loads is annealed vs unannealed brass.....NOTHING ELSE. Your results may vary.....
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MadPick
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Nitro_Guns wrote: Silly boy, annealing is not only for brass life but more for consistent neck tension and the such. Case life isn't even a concern to me as far as annealing goes. It is just a side benefit. LOL . . . yes, I remember very vividly your accuracy tests. However, I think it's pretty clear that that's not what the Caveman is going for here, since he's talking about doing it every X firings, and not every time like you'd do for the super-accuracy stuff.
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Caveman Jim
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What Nitro does to tighten his groups is one of the reasons I would like to anneal all my .223/5.56 at least for now. I would love to get tighter groups and may never have to anneal again, win win… I’ve got another ace up my sleeve for better groups, it came in today… Attachment: F5B11A6C-F4D2-4F1C-8232-4292D3E03572.jpeg
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