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| Author: | bulldog18 [ Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" state |
Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" state? With all the record gun sales, Washingtonians applying (or at least trying to apply) for their CPLs, high crime, defunding the police, no punishment or enforcement for those who commit crimes...could our gun community unite (come together) and collect enough signatures, to bring "Constitutional Carry" to a voter's ballet? Read the article below, and let me know what your thoughts are. States eye allowing concealed carry of guns without a permit... Republican lawmakers in several more states want to loosen gun restrictions by allowing people to carry concealed firearms without having to get a permit, continuing a trend that gun control advocates call dangerous By LINDSAY WHITEHURST Associated Press January 24, 2021, 2:30 PM • 4 min read Original News Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/states-eye-allowing-concealed-carry-guns-permit-75457127 SALT LAKE CITY -- Republican lawmakers in several more states want to loosen gun restrictions by allowing people to carry concealed firearms without having to get a permit, continuing a trend that gun control advocates call dangerous. Fifteen states already allow concealed carry without a permit, and lawmakers in nine others have proposed allowing or expanding the practice. GOP governors are backing the changes in Utah and Tennessee. Another bill expanding permitless carry in Montana has passed the state House. Most states require people to do things like get weapons training and undergo a background check to get a permit to carry a gun hidden by a jacket or inside a purse. Groups like the National Rifle Association and state lawmakers who support gun rights argue those requirements are ineffective and undermine Second Amendment protections. The proposed changes come after gun sales hit historic levels last summer — reflected in FBI background checks — amid uncertainty and safety concerns about the coronavirus pandemic, the struggling economy and protests over racial injustice. Since then, a violent mob stormed the U.S. Capitol. Against that backdrop, the efforts to loosen concealed carry requirements are a frightening trend for Shannon Watts, founder of the gun control group Moms Demand Action. “It is dangerous to allow people to carry hidden, loaded handguns possibly without a background check or any training,” she said, adding that the annual rate of aggravated assaults with a firearm has increased 71% in Alaska since the state became the first to allow concealed carry without a permit in 2003. The proposal in Utah would allow any U.S. citizen 21 and older to carry a concealed weapon without the now-required background check or weapons course. The bill does allow gun owners who want to carry a concealed weapon out of state to get a permit to do so after a background check and safety course. Newly elected GOP Gov. Spencer Cox has said he supports the idea, in contrast to his predecessor and fellow Republican Gary Herbert, who vetoed a similar bill in 2013. Supporters of the change argue that other state laws against such things as felons having guns and anyone carrying a firearm while intoxicated are enough to ensure guns are used safely. “I have that right to protect myself, the Constitution says we have the right. Why are we putting a barrier for law-abiding citizens?” said Rep. Walt Brooks, the Republican lawmaker sponsoring the bill that got an early nod of approval from a House committee Friday. The software company president has represented rural southern Utah for about four years. He pointed to a multistate study published in 2018 by the Journal of the American College of Surgeons that found loosening concealed carry permit laws didn’t lead to more homicides or violent crime. Utah does not require a permit for guns carried openly. In Tennessee, Republican lawmakers are expected to push again to allow most adults 21 and older to carry firearms — concealed or openly — without a license that now requires a background check and training. GOP Gov. Bill Lee backed the idea last year, though the proposal and others were put on hold amid the pandemic. The push in Tennessee came after the GOP-dominant General Assembly relaxed the state's handgun law in 2020 by allowing people to obtain a concealed-carry-only handgun permit that didn't require them to demonstrate the ability to fire a weapon. In Montana, the House recently passed a bill to allow people to carry concealed firearms without a permit in most places. Similar bills that would allow or expand concealed carry without a permit have been introduced in Texas, South Carolina, Florida, Indiana, Alabama and Georgia. In Texas, where the NRA plans to incorporate soon and where some lawmakers bring concealed handguns to work at the state Capitol, the GOP has listed the issue as one of just eight legislative priorities. The idea has failed to gain traction for years, though, and with the pandemic promising to be the predominant force in the upcoming session, its prospects are once again uncertain. ——— Associated Press writers Jonathan Mattise in Nashville, Tennessee, and Paul J. Weber in Austin, Texas, contributed to this report. |
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| Author: | surevaliance [ Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
Not in WA. Not before all communist donors, e.g. Amazon, MS, Boeing, Expedia, etc. move out. |
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| Author: | Arisaka [ Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
Never happen in this chickenshit state. |
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| Author: | jukk0u [ Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
"allow". The language of slaves and masters. |
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| Author: | Caveman Jim [ Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it will never happen until the communists are ran out of the Left coast. |
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| Author: | curiouscuz [ Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
NO, NO, NO...CUZ Actually the rationale the Evergreen State has to do to the Initiative process where "outside" interests can find & fund a WA citizen's anti group to front the "initiative" to the gaggle of Washingtonians who don't know/care/support the anti-nonsense the initiative is pushing. The firearm owners in this state lack the $$$ and to be honest, interest to put up an initiative effort to push a constitutional firearm anything in the state. Talk is cheep and as previously shown over the years, megabuck flow and newspeek & social media groups have facilitated successful passage of anti-initiatives. Remember...the state's statutory guidance on initiative process relieves the idiotic legislative body so they can unequivocally state... 'WE DID NOT INITIATE ANY TYPE OF ANTI-FIREARM STATUTES AND WE CANNOT OVERTURN IT EITHER! You wish reform...eliminate the initiative processes in WA & OR! |
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| Author: | scrid2000 [ Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
curiouscuz wrote: You wish reform...eliminate the initiative processes in WA & OR! I disagree. The initiative process is good, what is not good is the dumping of out-of-state funds into our in-state initiative process. That is what should be eliminated. |
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| Author: | golddigger14s [ Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
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| Author: | curiouscuz [ Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
scrid2000 wrote: curiouscuz wrote: You wish reform...eliminate the initiative processes in WA & OR! I disagree. The initiative process is good, what is not good is the dumping of out-of-state funds into our in-state initiative process. That is what should be eliminated. Please advise, if you can, which firearm initiative[s] over the last ten years have/has benefited the firearm owning citizens of WA or OR state? |
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| Author: | scrid2000 [ Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
curiouscuz wrote: scrid2000 wrote: curiouscuz wrote: You wish reform...eliminate the initiative processes in WA & OR! I disagree. The initiative process is good, what is not good is the dumping of out-of-state funds into our in-state initiative process. That is what should be eliminated. Please advise, if you can, which firearm initiative[s] over the last ten years have/has benefited the firearm owning citizens of WA or OR state? All of the ones that weren't funded by out-of-state billionaires and activist groups. |
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| Author: | curiouscuz [ Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
scrid2000 wrote: curiouscuz wrote: scrid2000 wrote: curiouscuz wrote: You wish reform...eliminate the initiative processes in WA & OR! I disagree. The initiative process is good, what is not good is the dumping of out-of-state funds into our in-state initiative process. That is what should be eliminated. Please advise, if you can, which firearm initiative[s] over the last ten years have/has benefited the firearm owning citizens of WA or OR state? All of the ones that weren't funded by out-of-state billionaires and activist groups. Then scrid2000, et al., ye shall continue to reap what you allow to be sown by not shutting down the cause of these atrocities through a 1907 legislative loophole anomaly. |
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| Author: | Fizmo [ Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
scrid2000 wrote: curiouscuz wrote: You wish reform...eliminate the initiative processes in WA & OR! I disagree. The initiative process is good, what is not good is the dumping of out-of-state funds into our in-state initiative process. That is what should be eliminated. I also disagree. With out-of-state money banned, we'd still have a bulldog in the form of the SAF. |
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| Author: | DrNoWay [ Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
After a very nasty hot war, yes. Until then, dream on |
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| Author: | havershap [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Could Washington State become a "Constitutional Carry" s |
It will never happen in Washington, at least not in the foreseeable future. But I see no need for it. Anybody can get a CPL by simply filling out the application and passing a background check. It's as close as you can get to constitutional carry without actually having constitutional carry. The effort and money that it would take to make the change to establish constitutional carry is better spent contesting the legislative and initiative-based attacks on the basic right to buy and own guns and ammunition. It doesn't matter how easy it is to carry if you can't buy anything to carry or anything with which to load it. |
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