It's really horrible that it had to come to this. Honestly, when I got up with guys or family we pick up ours, and others messes. We've done cleaning up. But the fact it had to come to this sucks. But higher powers piss and moan and have ruined it for the people that do take care of there trash. But other popular places are going to get flooded and become far more unsafe. This sucks.

A shame to hear this news, given the hard work many of us put in towards saving the area. Thankfully they see the value in keeping the big pit open.

From reading the press release, it sounds like the CRR residents have been persistent with their narrative. Those of you who are familiar with the cast of characters, knows exactly the one vocal person who uses the term "trigger trash"

I do empathize with most of the local residents, but I sadly never detected any hint of cooperation/compromise from them from the get-go (other than occasionally joining our cleanups as it was convenient to have access to a large dumpster). Now the FS has just thrown in the towel after seeing our signs getting shot up, and the spot will continue to see disrespectful use of the area by the masses who don't share our values. It should be a good payday for our LEO partner(s) this week with all the campers up there.

I still see "Greenwater" on the map. Which location was this? Was it the "Upper" pit?

Yep. And I was disappointed to see the USFS repeat that phrase.



We were there in May 2018 for a cleanup, and the sign -- which had been there since last summer sometime -- was in GREAT condition. I don't think it was shot at all. I find it very unlikely that it was suddenly shot up between our cleanup on May 12th and when I received an email from the USFS announcing the closure on June 19th.

Yes, signs often get shot up in the National Forest, but this wasn't one of those cases. Like the rest of the USFS rationale for the closure, this is utter bullshit.

P.S. I'm being pretty harsh on the USFS regarding this 7013 closure, both here and on Facebook. I'm pissed. I think they are lying to us and the public about the reasons for the closure, and I think the closure is completely unjustified. That said, I'm not anti-USFS; they've done a lot of good work with us in the past, and I hope we can continue to work together to keep other areas clean. Yes, I think they fucked up badly at 7013, and I hope they can at some point recognize that error and rectify it.

What I don't like is this:



This means the person wanted to close it, and their bosses didn't say no. It's not like it came down from above. This was a local decision.

Exactly right.

i noticed last time they seem to be getting it ready for logging operations up to the clearing . can see all the tree stripinggs

That may have had something to do with it Ops, dollars and all.

The whole Closure is a farce. It will drive the trash and the idiocy further into the area and that won't end well for us. Better to keep the people who are responsible for the Garbage and Tree Shooting in one area close to 410 than spread it to many smaller areas where it is actually unsafe to shoot and can't be monitored and easily accessed for cleaning.

They're going to have to learn the hard way. Although I don't expect them to admit later that this was a bad idea.

The closure is for one year on paper unless it’s extended. We’ll see what happens then.

It was on the news last night. It made shooters look like a bunch of outlaw hooligans.

I dunno if I agree with most others. When everybody is encouraged to shoot at the same pit, its easy to exploit the bad that is very easy to spot and see/make an example of.

Dispersed shooting is kinda like dispersed shitting.

If everyone shits in the same pit, pretty soon it stinks. Its easy to go see the damage. The contamination is concentrated and nature cant absorb it as fast as the shit piles up. Someone is bound to step in shit. The its on the news. Etc.

But you shit out in the woods, I shit in a different spot in the woods, and your neighbor has his own favorite shitting spot, then the rain is likely to wash the shit away faster and nosy folks with agendas will have a tough time finding a "shit pile".

Just my opinion. You "pit shitters" are an easy target.

You pretty much nailed it. Not saying I agree with the way they're choosing to handle it - I certainly don't - but it's easy to understand why they feel like they have to do something.

In other words out of sights out of mind

@Old Growth,
I did not start to speak English until age of 17. However, I think I am good enough for English. When you say "good pay careers", I think you mean "good paying jobs". If you do not understand the difference between career and a job, that is a problem.

People did not come here for a good job. People, with a well built careers, brought their jobs because we like the lack of income taxes. When I accept my job offer in my previous company, I had choices to work in California Silicon Valley, Texas, Florida, Atlanta, and Seattle. I chose here and brought my and quite some other jobs here. I am a high ranking software engineers and quite a few other hiring are coming to Seattle due to the need to stay closer to me.

Right to keep and bare arms are our constitutional rights. People still like it and there is no talks about repealing this constitutional right. You have the rights not like the guns. However, remember you are benefiting on the gun bearing neighbors that make robbers to think twice when they heard people like them were shot when committing a robbery.

People are thinking about moving away. Unfortunately they are moving with their jobs and quite some jobs away as well. WA has been spending money like crazy. After all the jobs move away, see how the budget goes. Amazon is already in the process moving away. Amazon have more than 50% of high paying jobs here.

Welcome to the 21st century, where employees can dedicate the location to their employers. People move here not only getting a good paying jobs, but also they have the power to force their employers to open satellite offices in this state. My current company and previous company are all more 5000 employees when I joined them. I am No.6 employee and No.5 employee in Seattle. Do you see why company open the small offices for the small amount of people to work in Seattle only? Because in this tight talent market, job negotiation give the corporations short end of the stick.