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 Tacoma Sportsmans Club Vs Paul Bunyan Sportsman Club 
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I was a member of Tacoma. WAS being the key term, I was not impressed with way they operate and they jacked prices up from $100 to 150/yr. It took them years to get a members pistol range completed, AFTER they had broken ground. Seems like most or all of revenue gets poured into the public rangeI greatly appreciate RSO's, but in general their group tend to be a bit overbearing and aggressive in nature and tends to reduce the enjoyment of being at the range. No lighting on anything but shotgun range so Sept-April it is unusable after work as they close @ 4pm, so weekends the members range tends to get packed. No guests allowed in members ranges at all. I did not get out to shoot much last year so I let my membership lapse when they jacked up prices from 100 to $150 with no notice other than a higher price on my renewal card. Now it is $175 1st year, $150/yr after that. Looks like the work credit is after the 1st year, still not a bad thing, I do not recall that being offered before. Not been a member in 1-2years, maybe things have made a turn for the better.

The downside to Bunyan is that they hold a large number of events that can close the certain ranges depending on the event. However they are open until 9 or 10pm with lights, so you can shoot at night after work year round. $110 application fee, $96/yr

My recommendation would be to go Bunyan. Right now I am on waiting list for Cascade, quite a bit farther away and not feasible during the week, but a top notch facility, action bays, can bring own steel once approved, etc. I am strongly considering joining bunyan while I wait.


Your review seems to be spot on with that online reviews seem to say - aggressive RSOs and is the biggest thing keeping me from getting membership there.


Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:22 am
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I've been a member of PB for years and find that the fee is reasonable. I do live close to it. It's probably more expensive in time/gas to drive an hour to the wilderness routinely than to have a trivial range fee. It's $100/year, or 30 cents per day. 1 time application fee too. Might be a wait list.

If you shoot once a month, it's about $8/month.

The hours are generally good. Covered ranges and lights mean year round out-door shooting.

Range masters can hassle you about "rapid fire" or "more than 8 rounds in a mag" or "human targets" which are my biggest issues.

It does shut down from time to time for events so check the calendar and plan accordingly.

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Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:36 pm
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Range masters can hassle you about "rapid fire" or "more than 8 rounds in a mag" or "human targets" which are my biggest issues. .


Aha, yeah, those are another part I forgot to include in my thoughts as well. Would be nice if those limitations were relaxed a little more.


Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:30 pm
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Range masters can hassle you about "rapid fire" or "more than 8 rounds in a mag" or "human targets" which are my biggest issues. .


Aha, yeah, those are another part I forgot to include in my thoughts as well. Would be nice if those limitations were relaxed a little more.

At least you can load a garand up all the way :bigsmile: :thumbsup2:


Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:31 pm
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I go to the woods and the range for different reasons.

I go to the woods when I want to be an idiot. Rapid fire, shotguns and vegetables, tannerite, etc.

I go to the range for serious shooting and to hone my skills.

I have never had a need to rapid fire or load a bazzilion rounds at the range. How does that help you build skills?

Things I enjoy about the range,,,,
No discover pass or NWFP needed.
Covered shooting
Gun racks and tables
usually pleasant company
Nice targets sometimes steel
Secure parking


Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:44 pm
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I've been a member of PB for years and find that the fee is reasonable. I do live close to it. It's probably more expensive in time/gas to drive an hour to the wilderness routinely than to have a trivial range fee. It's $100/year, or 30 cents per day. 1 time application fee too. Might be a wait list.

If you shoot once a month, it's about $8/month.

The hours are generally good. Covered ranges and lights mean year round out-door shooting.

Range masters can hassle you about "rapid fire" or "more than 8 rounds in a mag" or "human targets" which are my biggest issues.

It does shut down from time to time for events so check the calendar and plan accordingly.


Well, I guess it's better than Kenmore's 1 round per mag rule.
What's considered rapid fire? More than 1 bullet per second?


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You guys make it sound like PB is closed all day long.
I just went to look at their calendar and a lot of the "closures" are only until 1 or 2 pm.
Yes, I did a some that closed until 4 pm but not that many.

I also couldn't find any information on whether or not there is a waiting list to join.
Might have to go there in person.

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Jaejin0417 wrote:
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I've been a member of PB for years and find that the fee is reasonable. I do live close to it. It's probably more expensive in time/gas to drive an hour to the wilderness routinely than to have a trivial range fee. It's $100/year, or 30 cents per day. 1 time application fee too. Might be a wait list.

If you shoot once a month, it's about $8/month.

The hours are generally good. Covered ranges and lights mean year round out-door shooting.

Range masters can hassle you about "rapid fire" or "more than 8 rounds in a mag" or "human targets" which are my biggest issues.

It does shut down from time to time for events so check the calendar and plan accordingly.


Well, I guess it's better than Kenmore's 1 round per mag rule.
What's considered rapid fire? More than 1 bullet per second?


Essentially, yes. So that means no double taps. And you can't really "test" your 10+ round mags to feed reliably which is very annoying.

Oh, and no drawing and firing. Also annoying.

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Jaejin0417 wrote:
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I've been a member of PB for years and find that the fee is reasonable. I do live close to it. It's probably more expensive in time/gas to drive an hour to the wilderness routinely than to have a trivial range fee. It's $100/year, or 30 cents per day. 1 time application fee too. Might be a wait list.

If you shoot once a month, it's about $8/month.

The hours are generally good. Covered ranges and lights mean year round out-door shooting.

Range masters can hassle you about "rapid fire" or "more than 8 rounds in a mag" or "human targets" which are my biggest issues.

It does shut down from time to time for events so check the calendar and plan accordingly.


Well, I guess it's better than Kenmore's 1 round per mag rule.
What's considered rapid fire? More than 1 bullet per second?


Essentially, yes. So that means no double taps. And you can't really "test" your 10+ round mags to feed reliably which is very annoying.

Oh, and no drawing and firing. Also annoying.


Hey! You live in Spanaway as well!

Need to find somewhere other than BLM that allows drawing and firing.


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I'm not sure if any of the outdoor ranges will let you draw and shoot. West coast armory in factoria will let you do it.


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I am a member of Paul Bunyan and Upper Nisqually Sportsman Club. I like them both for different reasons. Paul Bunyan is close and easy, but it is closed on the weekends occasionally. Just check the schedule and adjust. It’s a super nice range and has lighted targets until 1000 at night. I generally go in the evenings cause no one is there and I can do more. Like someone else mentioned. A lot of times the matches are completed early and the range opens early

I use UNSC because I can rapid fire, draw and shoot, and has a 550 yard range. There isn’t really an RO so that helps too.

Both are good ranges for their own reason. PB is cheap and nice but requires checking the schedule.

I do not like TSC. I haven’t had a good experience yet and if it wasn’t for the shotgun nights I would never go back for the reasons already mentioned.


Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:12 pm
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True story, it’s generally rifle only. If there are two RSOs on duty, they may (at their discretion) send one to open up the pistol range for public shooting.

Next question.
Do know what the wait time is to join?
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Membership at Cascade Shooting Facilities (CSF) is capped at 1,250 members. Currently, the club is at that cap and is utilizing a waiting list for individuals who are interested in joining. When there are openings, individuals will be invited in the order they joined the waitlist. Openings usually happen sometime in late summer/early fall when the membership levels drop if people do not renew their membership.

Wait time it long. probably back to 2-3yrs right now. Co-worker applied Dec 2016, was 458 on wait list. this year Cascade increase cap by 250 members, plus normal turnover. He is now 94th on wait list. SO beside the uncommon addition of CAP, they replaced 114 members this year. I applied a month ago now and I am 303 on the wait list.

The facilities though are just top notch as are the members I have met when there as a guest.

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moktor wrote:
I'm a Paul Bunyan member, and haven't ever been to TSC so can't really compare. The biggest issue I have with Paul Bunyan is that on weekends it can be almost impossible to shoot...especially when the weather starts getting nicer, as they have so many events that they shut down the ranges for. Even during weekdays it can be difficult. I was looking at going sometime this week after work to the pistol range, but Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday all have events scheduled where the pistol range is closed in the evening. Wednesday might work, but the Ladies Shooting League is going on, so I would consider it closed as well, even though it isn't technically labelled as closed.

That is exactly why I joined TSC many years ago, PB was just closed to me most of the time, plus I have to pass TSC to get to PB. TSC members area was really nice in terms of atmosphere up until they added the pistol range than then RSO's. Prior to that it was member "policed" which was nice and relaxed.

I may very well end up joining TSC while I wait for Cascade, I have too many new loads to test and not having a range has been holding me back on getting them developed. It is just super close so I can run down on a weekend morning, get testing done and get home before lunch. That said the PB being open until 10pm means I can test after work even this time of the year which is a big bonus and has me thinking of joining them, just more $ the 1st year. Have to say I am firmly stuck in the middle trying to decide myself.

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I am a member of Paul Bunyan and Upper Nisqually Sportsman Club. I like them both for different reasons. Paul Bunyan is close and easy, but it is closed on the weekends occasionally. Just check the schedule and adjust. It’s a super nice range and has lighted targets until 1000 at night. I generally go in the evenings cause no one is there and I can do more. Like someone else mentioned. A lot of times the matches are completed early and the range opens early

I use UNSC because I can rapid fire, draw and shoot, and has a 550 yard range. There isn’t really an RO so that helps too.

Both are good ranges for their own reason. PB is cheap and nice but requires checking the schedule.

I do not like TSC. I haven’t had a good experience yet and if it wasn’t for the shotgun nights I would never go back for the reasons already mentioned.

I was planning to join USNC, went online to start the process 2 months ago. They made the fees absolutely rediculous, $300 APPLICATION FEE, plus yearly dues. Really bummed, I should have joined a year ago as I hear pretty much all positive feedback about the facility, but they have made the cost of entry completely unrealistic at this point.

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Yukonjon wrote:
I am a member of Paul Bunyan and Upper Nisqually Sportsman Club. I like them both for different reasons. Paul Bunyan is close and easy, but it is closed on the weekends occasionally. Just check the schedule and adjust. It’s a super nice range and has lighted targets until 1000 at night. I generally go in the evenings cause no one is there and I can do more. Like someone else mentioned. A lot of times the matches are completed early and the range opens early

I use UNSC because I can rapid fire, draw and shoot, and has a 550 yard range. There isn’t really an RO so that helps too.

Both are good ranges for their own reason. PB is cheap and nice but requires checking the schedule.

I do not like TSC. I haven’t had a good experience yet and if it wasn’t for the shotgun nights I would never go back for the reasons already mentioned.

I was planning to join USNC, went online to start the process 2 months ago. They made the fees absolutely rediculous, $300 APPLICATION FEE, plus yearly dues. Really bummed, I should have joined a year ago as I hear pretty much all positive feedback about the facility, but they have made the cost of entry completely unrealistic at this point.

UNSC is a great range with a lot of great people. I was a member for a while, but being in maple valley, I just never made it down there. I let the membership lapse this year.


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