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Guns4Liberty
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Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8552
Real Name: Curtis
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Old Growth wrote: Why ruin a nice O/U? Because 'Murica It's not really that there would be a "good" reason to do it. It's more just probing the boundaries of the NFA and looking for holes...which is also very much 'Murica.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:02 am |
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sigman226
Location: Oly Wa Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2012 Posts: 614
Real Name: Rick
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Old Growth wrote: Why ruin a nice O/U? To make the BATFE brain explode (pun intended)!
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:38 pm |
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17806
Real Name: Chuck
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Why is this even a question?
_________________ "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson "Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:16 pm |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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golddigger14s wrote: Why is this even a question? because the short bus still exists
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:27 pm |
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Sinus211
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Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13477
Real Name: Mike
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I will not take easy cheap shots I will not take easy cheap shots I will not take easy cheap shots I will not take easy cheap shots I will not take easy cheap shots
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:28 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 51917
Real Name: Steve
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golddigger14s wrote: Why is this even a question? I think snozzberries has the title of "Chief Instigator of Mental Masturbation Threads." But sometimes they're fun.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:37 pm |
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Sinus211
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Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13477
Real Name: Mike
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MadPick wrote: golddigger14s wrote: Why is this even a question? I think snozzberries has the title of "Chief Instigator of Mental Masturbation Threads." But sometimes they're fun. So you're assuming we're only mentally masturbating? Mmkay.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:47 pm |
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Guns4Liberty
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Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8552
Real Name: Curtis
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Guns4Liberty wrote: MadPick wrote: My assumption is that the two barrels are permanently attached to each other, as they are with double-barreled shotguns. Yeah, I guess they would be pretty hard to separate. I'm going to run this by my ATF contact - it'd be interesting to hear how they construct the argument against it, if there is one. UPDATE: ATF confirmed that a shotgun with one short barrel and one long barrel is an SBS. I didn't get a detailed explanation as to why, but it was the answer I expected based upon my own interpretation of the law.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:12 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 51917
Real Name: Steve
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Cool, thanks for reporting back.
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root
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Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4578
Real Name: J
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thefuryoffire wrote: Someone's been on gunnit. I was just about to remove and say "repost". Guns4Liberty wrote: Guns4Liberty wrote: MadPick wrote: My assumption is that the two barrels are permanently attached to each other, as they are with double-barreled shotguns. Yeah, I guess they would be pretty hard to separate. I'm going to run this by my ATF contact - it'd be interesting to hear how they construct the argument against it, if there is one. UPDATE: ATF confirmed that a shotgun with one short barrel and one long barrel is an SBS. I didn't get a detailed explanation as to why, but it was the answer I expected based upon my own interpretation of the law. Because one barrel is shorter than 18" It does meet the OAL, but because bits come out at an earlier point, its now a SBS. Dumb, just like the rest of the NFA.
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:56 am |
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Unicorn
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 Posts: 2597
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It's actually pretty simple why it's considered a SBS. Remember that as much as we bitch about the ATF, they are over 90% black and white. Arbitrary, but not very capricious. Keeping that in mind, what is the exact wording of the definition of a SBS? It's "having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length." That's it. They ATF rarely plays the, "what if," "what about," or whatever games. Is it A or is it B? Does it meet this exact wording? Yes or no. Regardless of how silly it seems they do the exact word thing. Of course there are exceptions, the SIG brace the most recent and well known.
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