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ATF's Final Rule On Pistol Braces
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dreadi
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Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:20 pm |
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MadPick
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foothills wrote: His analogy was that it would be a constant struggle for gun owners to ever overcome. He explained it as "throwing spaghetti at a wall...99.9% slides off and falls to the floor. But there is always the little bit that sticks. The anti gun crowd will keep on throwing...till eventually the wall is covered" Yup, great analogy. And the wall is getting pretty red.
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Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:09 pm |
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NWGunner
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Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 12475
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MadPick wrote: foothills wrote: His analogy was that it would be a constant struggle for gun owners to ever overcome. He explained it as "throwing spaghetti at a wall...99.9% slides off and falls to the floor. But there is always the little bit that sticks. The anti gun crowd will keep on throwing...till eventually the wall is covered" Yup, great analogy. And the wall is getting pretty red. I think it’s the noodles that are thrown…
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Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:27 pm |
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MadPick
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LOL yes, I did consider that, but then I thought the sauce would stick a little better.
Plus I also had other ideas about the red wall....
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Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:31 pm |
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NWGunner
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Better visual anyway…
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Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:48 pm |
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jukk0u
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“A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli
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FJB
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Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:27 pm |
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surevaliance
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I’d rather get another brace!
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Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:31 pm |
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A.O.
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Location: Tacoma :( Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 Posts: 2410
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Might as well be another stock at this point. Fine and jail time is all the same now.
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Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:41 pm |
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RocketScott
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Location: Kentucky Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 Posts: 11087
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At the risk of being told to shut up, or that I ran in stead of fought... eForms has been updated to reflect the correct date that trusts needed to be in possession of the firearm by: Quote: To lawfully register the firearm to a trust, the trust must have possessed the firearm before January 31, 2023. Accordingly, you must submit with the application documentation that establishes the trust possessed the firearm before January 31, 2023.
Can I register my "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm to my trust pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F?
A trust may not register a “stabilizing brace” equipped firearm pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F unless the trust can establish through documentary evidence that the trust possessed the firearm before January 31, 2023.
Under the final rule, the Attorney General has authorized a tax forbearance that allows current possessors of "stabilizing brace" equipped firearms that meet the definition of "rifle" and have a barrel or barrels less than 16 inches to register the firearms tax-free. A current possessor is a person1 who possessed the "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm prior to January 31, 2023.
Accordingly, any trust that seeks to register a "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F must include with the eForm 1 application evidence that establishes the trust is the current possessor of the "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm, and possessed it before January 31, 2023. This evidence will generally include the signed, dated, and notarized terms of the trust or trust schedules that list or provide a description of the property held in trust. Accordingly, for trust applicants, ATF will perform a thorough review of the trust documents provided with the eForm 1 application to ensure the firearm sought to be registered to the trust was property possessed by the trust before January 31, 2023. Therefore, an eForm 1 application to register a "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm to a trust will be disapproved if the applicant fails to demonstrate the trust possessed the firearm before January 31, 2023.
How can a current possessor who is an individual register a "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm to a trust or other legal entity?
A "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm that is currently possessed by an individual after January 31, 2023 can only be registered to that individual pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F. Any individual possessing a "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm in his or her individual capacity who wants to register the firearm to a trust or other legal entity must first register the firearm as an individual within the 120-day tax forbearance period, then submit a tax-paid ATF Form 4 transferring the firearm from the individual to the trust or other legal entity.
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Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:21 am |
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AR15L
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RocketScott wrote: Quote: A "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm that is currently possessed by an individual after January 31, 2023 can only be registered to that individual pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F. Any individual possessing a "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm in his or her individual capacity who wants to register the firearm to a trust or other legal entity must first register the firearm as an individual within the 120-day tax forbearance period, then submit a tax-paid ATF Form 4 transferring the firearm from the individual to the trust or other legal entity.
Sorry but I don't won't recognize any unlawful "laws or rules" coming from an agency that has no authority to make laws.
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Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:31 am |
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surevaliance
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AR15L wrote: RocketScott wrote: Quote: A "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm that is currently possessed by an individual after January 31, 2023 can only be registered to that individual pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F. Any individual possessing a "stabilizing brace" equipped firearm in his or her individual capacity who wants to register the firearm to a trust or other legal entity must first register the firearm as an individual within the 120-day tax forbearance period, then submit a tax-paid ATF Form 4 transferring the firearm from the individual to the trust or other legal entity.
Sorry but I don't won't recognize any unlawful "laws or rules" coming from an agency that has no authority to make laws.
_________________ FPC member GOA member Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
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Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:51 pm |
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jukk0u
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_________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith
"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams
“A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli
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FJB
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Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:21 pm |
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Gasitman
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Location: Fife Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 1688
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MadPick wrote: foothills wrote: His analogy was that it would be a constant struggle for gun owners to ever overcome. He explained it as "throwing spaghetti at a wall...99.9% slides off and falls to the floor. But there is always the little bit that sticks. The anti gun crowd will keep on throwing...till eventually the wall is covered" Yup, great analogy. And the wall is getting pretty red. Not yet actually. But it will be soon if things keep going the way they are.
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Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:35 pm |
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A.O.
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Location: Tacoma :( Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 Posts: 2410
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So are no braced pistols being sold now? I know trusts have to prove pre 31st ownership, but what about individual filings? If you had a brace, and you installed it on a new purchase after the 31st, would that be a no go? As long as its filed in the 120 window that is.
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Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:50 pm |
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RocketScott
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Location: Kentucky Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 Posts: 11087
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A.O. wrote: So are no braced pistols being sold now? I know trusts have to prove pre 31st ownership, but what about individual filings? If you had a brace, and you installed it on a new purchase after the 31st, would that be a no go? As long as its filed in the 120 window that is. It needed to be possesed by the 31st, trust or individual. The whole thing too, not just the brace No go on buying something now and getting the 'free' stamp
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Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:11 pm |
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