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Is it lawful for a licensed security guard to carry his firearm on school property?

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amc82 wrote:
Is it lawful for a licensed security guard to carry his firearm on school property?


https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.280
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(1) It is unlawful for a person to knowingly carry onto, or to possess on, public or private elementary or secondary school premises, school-provided transportation, areas of facilities while being used exclusively by public or private schools, or areas of facilities while being used for official meetings of a school district board of directors:
(a) Any firearm;...............


There are some exemptions.. Guard Card isn't one of them. But you are allowed to carry while picking up and dropping off a child, but cannot enter a building (or stadium).


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only difference between an armed guard card and everyone else is you get blue label stuff....

that said public school it's a big no go. private school will have their own official and unofficial rules. i got to know the principal at my kids private school on the peninsula well enough and she eventually thanked me for carrying at school functions even though it's not actually permitted.

overall though, concealed is concealed......

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amc82 wrote:
Is it lawful for a licensed security guard to carry his firearm on school property?


based on my read of RCW(s), quoted below...the blunt answer is NO.

RCW 9.41.280 Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It is unlawful for a person to knowingly carry onto, or to possess on, public or private elementary or secondary school premises, school-provided transportation, areas of facilities while being used exclusively by public or private schools, or areas of facilities while being used for official meetings of a school district board of directors:
(a) Any firearm;

(2) Any such person violating subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
(a) Any student or employee of a private military academy when on the property of the academy;
(b) Any person engaged in military, law enforcement, or school district security activities. However, a person who is not a commissioned law enforcement officer and who provides school security services under the direction of a school administrator may not possess a device listed in subsection (1)(f) of this section unless he or she has successfully completed training in the use of such devices that is equivalent to the training received by commissioned law enforcement officers;

RCW 9.41.282 Possessing dangerous weapons on child care premises—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It is unlawful for a person to carry onto, or to possess on, licensed child care center premises, child care center-provided transportation, or areas of facilities while being used exclusively by a child care center:
(a) Any firearm;

(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
(a) Family day care provider homes as defined in RCW 43.216.010;
(b) Any person in possession of a pistol who has been issued a license under RCW 9.41.070, or is exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060, while picking up or dropping off a child at the child care center;
(c) Any person at least eighteen years of age legally in possession of a firearm or dangerous weapon that is secured within an attended vehicle or concealed from view within a locked unattended vehicle while conducting legitimate business at the child care center; or
(d) Any law enforcement officer of a federal, state, or local government agency.

now those advocating skirting the law, concealed is not an option.

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PS: here is the cheet sheet Federal prospective, quote:
Generally, it is unlawful for any individual to knowingly possess a firearm within a school zone. A school zone is defined as being within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial, or private school. unquote

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide ... 1/download

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Caveman nailed it.

I carry where signs that tell me I shouldn't carry as long as there is not a metal detector.

It's funny, the 34'ish years I worked at Boeing there was never a mass shooter on any plant.
But, I carried. Every day. (Except when I was union (13 years) because it's kind of tough to put a pistol/revolver in your lunch box.)
It was a huge risk, I could have lost everything if I would have had to use that pistol to protect myself and coworkers. But life beats risk every time.

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Just a view points on signs…


Any idiot can place a sign. Does it hold legal weight? In WA state - someone placing a sign doesn’t mean much from a legal standpoint. But other states are different. So be careful on where you apply in either way of following or not following that sign.

Just like some states you are not allowed to carry in a church or bar but others you are. We tend to apply our thoughts to where we are (aka Washington State but not everyone is or will be in WA).


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oldkim wrote:
Just a view points on signs…


Any idiot can place a sign. Does it hold legal weight? In WA state - someone placing a sign doesn’t mean much from a legal standpoint.


Um... it holds lots of weight where required by law. Schools and bars are required to have very specific signs posted. Private property, not so much.


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all this non sense.... just carry the damn thing. the way they prosecute now is just a "don't do that slap on wrist"

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Massivedesign wrote:

Um... it holds lots of weight where required by law. Schools and bars are required to have very specific signs posted. Private property, not so much.


Like you mean the RCW - revised code of Washington? Which as you and other have pasted is all laid out. But someone can place a no guns sign at their business, home and from Washington RCW hold no legal footing just because they placed that sign.

In other states those same sign can or may hold legal status. But not in WA is what I was getting at.

So one must be familiar with what and where they can carry is my message. So do the research everyone. We all have very specific needs and circumstances.

Like some don’t have kids. Or maybe you just go to school events visiting? It’s quite Huge how other states do it but we have to know our own state.


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amc82 wrote:
Is it lawful for a licensed security guard to carry his firearm on school property?


Only when working as an armed guard there.


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cmica wrote:
all this non sense.... just carry the damn thing. the way they prosecute now is just a "don't do that slap on wrist"


True. Unless you're a gainfully employed white male. Then chances are high someone will want to make an example of you. icon_eek


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