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usrifle
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Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20748
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Judging from the number of People selling Braces, it appears some think that will be a reality.
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Sinus211
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Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13477
Real Name: Mike
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Ummm...Molon Labe anyone?
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18385
Real Name: Johnny 5
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Sinus211 wrote: Ummm...Molon Labe anyone? Attachment: 37665546_2268535776522374_1188871119608741888_n.jpg
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jukk0u
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Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21147
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ATF released the format of their latest vacillation on arm braces. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulatio ... ing-bracesLooks like nothing will be compliant. TKKMA. https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/atf-re ... ace-rules/26" OAL and a weight limit (120 ounces unloaded) - "That would make any AR15 style pistol with a barrel over seven inches an SBR regardless of any other determination features." The AFT then uses a point system to determine if your pistol is magically transformed into an SBR, including: * A determination of the "intent" for usage; as in 'designed to be' shoulder fired *A standard rcvr extension (buffer tube) earns two points *A hand stop earns two points. Pistols cannot have secondary grip (does that apply to free rail space?) *Flip up iron sights is another point on the tally; a red dot earns two points. The article keeps saying any firearm over 13 1/2" is an SBR. Do they mean BARREL length? Four points or more and you're a felon unless you sign on to their registration scheme. (gosh, I wonder what comes after registration?) BTW it needs to be said: * ARE braces going away
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jukk0u
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Judging from the flood of braces suddenly available on the board, there are many who are merely going to throw in the towel.
I wonder if there will be as much effort expended commenting at .aft or to their legislators.
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"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams
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hartcreek
Location: Union Gap Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 Posts: 1722
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:Looks like us gimps will have to file suit because under the adaptive equipment rules of the ADA anything that I out on my ar is non of their fu$$ing business and under HIPPA they cant ask. Since commie Joe is behind this if I file and win what percentage of his pay check will I get?
Mine just has a bare buffer tube but the tube as this expanded rubber sleave. I was looking at a clip on brace but my buffer tube measures 1.250 so it looks like I am out of luck or would have to change out the tube and then put on a multi position brace........maybe I should just make a walking stick that has a section that would fit over the buffer tube.
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17806
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User 1234
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Location: Pierce County Joined: Sun Oct 14, 2018 Posts: 1117
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That tax estimate assumes everyone with an AR pistol will SBR it, and do so under an NFA stamp. In some states like CA that is not even an option for them. Some people will switch to a bare buffer tube. Some will ignore the law and put a regular buttstock on.
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Arisaka
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Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6194
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Somebody will,come out with an extra long buffer tube with a flattish end.
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18385
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A guy on ARFCOM made a good point. IF they're saying these pistols are SBRs, you can't just 'un-SBR it'.... Once an SBR, always an SBR... Quote: Per the ATF's new proposed rules, most firearms with braces are SBR's. They are declaring this based upon NFA 34 and essentially saying these firearms have always been SBR's as originally manufactured. Per the US code in NFA 34, short barreled firearms made from rifles continue to be rifles.
So all these factory built AR's with SBA3 braces will continue to be SBR's even if you remove the brace and go to a bare buffer tube.
I wonder how long it will take ATF and the Biden administration to realize their error and require registration....
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User 1234
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Location: Pierce County Joined: Sun Oct 14, 2018 Posts: 1117
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Once a machine gun always a machine gun. Once a silencer always a silencer.
SBRs (at least under an accurate reading of the federal standards) are quite different, a product of their physical configuration. I can see where the ARfcom poster is thinking “firearm made from a rifle” but if the AR pistol started as a pistol and was later reclassified as a rifle by the ATF that would entail a lengthy legal battle over the retroactivity of the regulation. It is possible that a court would rule that even if the owner took the brace off and left a bare buffer tube that it was a “firearm made from a rifle” if the reclassification of the brace as stock had retroactive effect. We live in a crazy world so I would not say that scenario is impossible.
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User 1234
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Weapon made from a rifle.
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hadati
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Location: South King County Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2020 Posts: 524
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I emailed the @TF and told them not to make pistol braces illegal. If you want to write to them, do so here: https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... en-comment
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surevaliance
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141 House Republicans challenge ATF tax, registration of AR pistols. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... ar-pistols
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Arisaka
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Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6194
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I’m afraid that will be as effective as emailing Nancy Pelosi and asking her to not be such a twat. But good on you for trying!
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