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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18385
Real Name: Johnny 5
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https://thereload.com/app/uploads/2021/ ... GC-HQS.pdfSo...if I'm reading right... 80% kits are firearms. Slides and uppers are firearms. Any serialized part is a firearm. Must have FFL to sell 80% kits. Must have FFL to mark firearms. Any FFL that takes in a firearm without a serial number must add one.
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surevaliance
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Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 6763
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Why do we need Congress when we have “agencies”?
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Thu May 06, 2021 3:06 am |
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xman
Location: washington Joined: Sun Dec 15, 2013 Posts: 453
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75% kits will replace 80% kits.
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Thu May 06, 2021 4:46 am |
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surevaliance
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Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 6763
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xman wrote: 75% kits will replace 80% kits. Then 74%...
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Thu May 06, 2021 4:48 am |
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waglocker
Location: Ohio Joined: Fri Nov 9, 2012 Posts: 3924
Real Name: Sean
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surevaliance wrote: Why do we need Congress when we have “agencies”? Why bother having government when you have a dooshbag with a pen.
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Thu May 06, 2021 4:50 am |
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Twelvefourtwo
Location: USA Joined: Sun Oct 13, 2019 Posts: 70
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surevaliance wrote: xman wrote: 75% kits will replace 80% kits. Then 74%... Then 73%…
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Thu May 06, 2021 3:56 pm |
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shaggy
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Location: Snohomish Co Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2018 Posts: 1797
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Twelvefourtwo wrote: surevaliance wrote: xman wrote: 75% kits will replace 80% kits. Then 74%... Then 73%… I'm going to start calling in home depot for 10% lowers
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Thu May 06, 2021 4:10 pm |
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mmalleck
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Location: Bellevue area - WA Joined: Wed Jan 9, 2013 Posts: 1424
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I thought the constitution was supposed to put limits on government, not the other way around.
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Thu May 06, 2021 4:13 pm |
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ironworker78
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Location: puyallup Joined: Sat Nov 3, 2012 Posts: 1146
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Well..if an 80% kit is now 100% what is not a gun?
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Thu May 06, 2021 5:52 pm |
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scrid2000
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Location: Pierce County Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2018 Posts: 1980
Real Name: Shane
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ironworker78 wrote: Well..if an 80% kit is now 100% what is not a gun? "Excuse me sir, you're going to need to fill out this form for that shovel you're buying, it can be converted into a firearm."
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Thu May 06, 2021 6:19 pm |
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acidfly
Location: Sagamihara, Kanagawa Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 Posts: 959
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scrid2000 wrote: ironworker78 wrote: Well..if an 80% kit is now 100% what is not a gun? "Excuse me sir, you're going to need to fill out this form for that shovel you're buying, it can be converted into a firearm." The AK shovel build was pretty badass.
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Thu May 06, 2021 6:31 pm |
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Lucky Punk
Location: Kent Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2020 Posts: 11
Real Name: Rick
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Looks like they are requiring all previously completed firearms to be marked within 60 days of the rule implementation. Sounds a lot like the California serialization mandate there. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulatio ... er/summaryLooks like I need top load up the row boat and go fishing.
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Fri May 07, 2021 3:41 pm |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19386
Real Name: Rick
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Dear ATF:
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Fri May 07, 2021 4:52 pm |
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RockHopper
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Location: Tulsa, Ok Joined: Mon Nov 25, 2013 Posts: 2324
Real Name: Jeremy
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I'm with AR15 on the sentiment, but not sure I'm reading it the same way as some others?
It seems to my eyes that the suggested rulings impact on personally owned P80's is negligible on the outside. I read that it redefines an 80% frame and its parts as a firearm, but nothing about new requirements for existing private collections. The wording specifically gives burden of the change to "licensee's".
"Once the rule becomes final, and unless already marked by another licensee, properly mark each PMF within seven days following the date of receipt or other acquisition (including from a personal collection)"
No worries...I'm sure everything will be fine anyway. They're from the government after all. I'm sure they're just here to help.
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Fri May 07, 2021 5:24 pm |
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Pablo
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Location: Everson, WA Joined: Sun Jan 6, 2013 Posts: 28149
Real Name: Ace Winky
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Lucky Punk wrote: Looks like they are requiring all previously completed firearms to be marked within 60 days of the rule implementation.
That's funny.
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