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Alpine
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Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2012 Posts: 7649
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Slightly different than the gun shop release waiting times thread, I thought we should have a place where we record how long until the law enforcement background check is done and compare different agencies across the state and also get a sense of what the average time is.
Another advantage of recording this information is that if we see a pattern of the average time being very long even beyond the "intent" of the law, that can help form a basis for a lawsuit that not only is the law not being followed but the nature of the law is inherently chilling article 1 Sec 24 rights. Similar in approach to how Peruta showed data across CA to show that "may issue" was often in fact "never issue," except in this case it would be chronic delay = chronic denial of rights. We'll also be able to tell if any agency attempts to go into a never ending loop of restarting the bcg process over and over.
Another benefit is we'll have averages for each agency so if/when a prohibited person ever does manage to get a gun released before the local agency completes the check we'd have data to show local media that there's no excuse since some agencies can get it done on time and show a pattern of neglect by other agencies. This will counter the narrative that even longer times or absolute no releasing until the bcg is complete "would be necessary."
So even if you got your gun eventually released by the FFL, please post when your bcg actually completes compared to when you submitted it and which agency did the check.
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:52 am |
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surevaliance
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Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 6794
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Not many responses yet? I guess everyone is busy drilling and milling their 80%...
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:35 am |
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Unicorn
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 Posts: 2604
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Thurston County. Several pistols and SARs in less than a week. A few a little over a week (remember "business days). Lacey has been about the same. Pierce also seems to be about a week.
I'm not the only one that seems to have noticed, all three of us at the store said it at one time that it actually seems to be going faster now.
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:49 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38308
Real Name: Dan
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My 2 post 1639 transactions went to TCSO.
Pistol was 7/1 - 7/11 SAR was 7/12 - 7/17 (approval came back on a Saturday)
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:17 am |
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Alpine
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Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2012 Posts: 7649
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Curious what is method of notification that bcg is done if it took longer than 10 business days and FFL already released to you. Would you need to call the FFL and ask them? Do you get something in the mail?
_________________If you vote for Biden you are voting to be murdered when he sends Beto to come take your "semi automatic assault weapon" (any semi auto). If you have family or friends voting for Biden show them this and ask if they are willing to vote for your murder or maybe even their own if they are gun owners or live with any. https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/Quote: “I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.” https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738Quote: [Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:40 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38308
Real Name: Dan
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Alpine wrote: Curious what is method of notification that bcg is done if it took longer than 10 business days and FFL already released to you. Would you need to call the FFL and ask them? Do you get something in the mail? Since neither of my BCG's took longer than 10 days, I can't tell you. I do know that the FFL called me when the approved FTA came in.
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:50 am |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19463
Real Name: Rick
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Massivedesign wrote: Alpine wrote: Curious what is method of notification that bcg is done if it took longer than 10 business days and FFL already released to you. Would you need to call the FFL and ask them? Do you get something in the mail? Since neither of my BCG's took longer than 10 days, I can't tell you. I do know that the FFL called me when the approved FTA came in.That the sign of a good FFL!
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:08 am |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3554
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Alpine wrote: ... if we see a pattern of the average time being very long even beyond the "intent" of the law, that can help form a basis for a lawsuit that not only is the law not being followed but the nature of the law is inherently chilling article 1 Sec 24 rights...
Careful. How will you prove a "chilling effect"? Proving a negative with statistics is...let's say non-trivial. One effect of a "chill" might be fewer checks per time period measured, which might exp!ain the no-slower-than-baseline turnaround on those performed.
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:38 am |
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3584ELK
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Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1253
Real Name: Mark
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One handgun through Auburn PD- PROCEED came in after 7 business days- customer notified immediately.
One handgun through South Sound 911- PROCEED came in after 8 business days- customer notified immediately.
Local sales are slow, as expected.
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:52 pm |
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hartcreek
Location: Union Gap Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 Posts: 1722
Real Name: Randall Knapp
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No damned matter what my rights are going to be infringed because I never have had a wait. I have always gone into the gunshop and left with the firearm or lower I wanted. I was in and out in a few minutes no delay with two lowers. Lowers fall into the other category so they are done the old way.
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:08 am |
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BlDtyLry
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Location: Snohomish, WA Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 Posts: 1369
Real Name: Bo
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Sound Loan - Snohomish County Sherriff
Handgun Submitted: 7/1/2019 Approved: 7/5/2019
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:49 am |
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Unicorn
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 Posts: 2604
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Alpine wrote: Curious what is method of notification that bcg is done if it took longer than 10 business days and FFL already released to you. Would you need to call the FFL and ask them? Do you get something in the mail? Notifying the customer? No reason to. They already have the gun. If you get the gun and it takes 15 days for the proceed there's nothing that you do.
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:26 pm |
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rodell
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Location: Free At last in NC! Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2012 Posts: 701
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Massivedesign wrote: Alpine wrote: Curious what is method of notification that bcg is done if it took longer than 10 business days and FFL already released to you. Would you need to call the FFL and ask them? Do you get something in the mail? Since neither of my BCG's took longer than 10 days, I can't tell you. I do know that the FFL called me when the approved FTA came in. What is this BCG you speak of? Do they take longer than BGC's? Or are they less expensive? Do you put BCG's in the dreaded black rifles? Or are those BGC's? I guess it would be both in an AR ...
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:29 pm |
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Pvanderzee
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Location: Bow Joined: Tue Apr 2, 2013 Posts: 2688
Real Name: Phill
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Pistol purchased at Skagit Arms on Saturday, 7/13, form sent to Skagit Co. Sheriff. Got the phone call Thursday 7/18.
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Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:26 pm |
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alanjtc73n
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Location: Redmond, WA Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 Posts: 20
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I've processed 3 so far. Two pistol and one SAR. King County Sheriff was 9 days Kirkland PD was 9 days I spoke to both departments and they have confirmed that they are getting them out in 10 days or less. Both departments have sent confirmation emails when they received the request. When we hit ten days, they asked that I call and verify if we still haven't received a response. I think things are pretty straightforward at this time. Requests should be processed in 10 days or less and if not, we reach out and see what's up.
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Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:21 pm |
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