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Has anyone used either of these?

https://libertyammo.com/product/civil-defense-45-acp/ or https://www.lehighdefense.com/collections/ammo/products/45-acp-p-200gr-xtreme-penetrator-ammunition?variant=1066312156

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Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:37 pm
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Contact underwood , I think there's better and you can get dealer discounts

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Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:55 pm
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Id stick with something fairly tried and true if it were me.

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

I dont know about that one at your first link but the second link strikes me as bullshit gimmick ammo like the G2R RIP ammo.

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Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.

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"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

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"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

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Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:18 pm
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So neither of you have used it?

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dreadi wrote:
So neither of you have used it?



As my previous post implied, No. Nor would I in a defensive pistol.

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Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.

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"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot

"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

Jeff Cooper
1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

Spoiler: show
SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.”
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I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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I have some 10mm and I may have some 45acp

It will bunch through armor like butter

https://underwoodammo.com/product/handg ... enetrator/

what do you want to know? you can watch videos on youtube to see the effects and its got kick

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I've used a bunch of the Lehigh bullets. Their "Defense" bullets are better than the "Penetrator", and are actually pretty good. I think they made a mistake in putting the "Extreme" label on these because it sounds like a marketing gimmick, but they're not.

If you don't load your own, get the loaded ammo from Underwood instead of direct from Lehigh.


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jdhbulseye wrote:
dreadi wrote:
So neither of you have used it?



As my previous post implied, No. Nor would I in a defensive pistol.
Thank you.


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I have some 10mm and I may have some 45acp

It will bunch through armor like butter

https://underwoodammo.com/product/handg ... enetrator/

what do you want to know? you can watch videos on youtube to see the effects and its got kick


I don’t care how much it penetrates, kicks, or anything else that’s subjecting or otherwise measured. All I want to know is if anyone here is using either of the factory made ammo and if they are using it in a traditional 1911 barrel.

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I've used a bunch of the Lehigh bullets. Their "Defense" bullets are better than the "Penetrator", and are actually pretty good. I think they made a mistake in putting the "Extreme" label on these because it sounds like a marketing gimmick, but they're not.

If you don't load your own, get the loaded ammo from Underwood instead of direct from Lehigh.
So you’re using the bullets and loading your own?

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I guess buy a box and find out than.

but lots of videos on youtube showing it works in all kinds of 1911's

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I got a box of the Civil Defense as part of a trade a while back. I ran some rounds through a Ruger 1911 and a XDM full size with zero issues. If I ever were to come across a deal on some, I would buy a few boxes.

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I got a box of the Civil Defense as part of a trade a while back. I ran some rounds through a Ruger 1911 and a XDM full size with zero issues. If I ever were to come across a deal on some, I would buy a few boxes.


Good to know. Did you use factory magazines?

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I got a box of the Civil Defense as part of a trade a while back. I ran some rounds through a Ruger 1911 and a XDM full size with zero issues. If I ever were to come across a deal on some, I would buy a few boxes.


Good to know. Did you use factory magazines?



Yessssir

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L_O_G wrote:
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L_O_G wrote:
I got a box of the Civil Defense as part of a trade a while back. I ran some rounds through a Ruger 1911 and a XDM full size with zero issues. If I ever were to come across a deal on some, I would buy a few boxes.


Good to know. Did you use factory magazines?



Yessssir


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dreadi wrote:
Yondering wrote:
I've used a bunch of the Lehigh bullets. Their "Defense" bullets are better than the "Penetrator", and are actually pretty good. I think they made a mistake in putting the "Extreme" label on these because it sounds like a marketing gimmick, but they're not.

If you don't load your own, get the loaded ammo from Underwood instead of direct from Lehigh.
So you’re using the bullets and loading your own?


Both. I've used Underwood's loads and loaded my own.

What exactly are you trying to find out, if you don't care how they perform? Just whether they'll cycle, or what?


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Yondering wrote:
dreadi wrote:
Yondering wrote:
I've used a bunch of the Lehigh bullets. Their "Defense" bullets are better than the "Penetrator", and are actually pretty good. I think they made a mistake in putting the "Extreme" label on these because it sounds like a marketing gimmick, but they're not.

If you don't load your own, get the loaded ammo from Underwood instead of direct from Lehigh.
So you’re using the bullets and loading your own?


Both. I've used Underwood's loads and loaded my own.

What exactly are you trying to find out, if you don't care how they perform? Just whether they'll cycle, or what?


Yup. A potential customer has specified that the pistol must work with the specified ammo.

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