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Why can't the Republicans ever create a counter narrative?
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sreyemj
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Why can’t Republicans ever create a decent counter narrative about gun control? They play defense on AWBs and offer nothing workable in return. Trump and the dum-dums should have been pushing a “School Safety Act” within the first 24 hours with:
-Funding for security cameras, keyed entry, and armed guards. -School safety inspectors to conduct periodic safety reviews and assign schools letter grades to be posted in public areas and sent to parents (like restaurant safety ratings). -National tip line for school violence and bullying -Registration of all unlicensed machine guns to ensure these weapons do not become involved in school shootings.
Add a $0.15 national gas tax to pay for it with strict stipulations that it’s used for only these purposes. I would like to see anyone oppose that, filibustering it would be political suicide…
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:52 am |
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PMB
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There is a project in the works to counter the calls for more gun control. I'm of the opinion that it should not be a Republican response, but a commonsense reply to statism and controlism. There are plenty of R's and D's on the controlist side of things... D's are worse on gun control, but it is not limited to them.
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:56 am |
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sreyemj
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PMB wrote: There is a project in the works to counter the calls for more gun control.
Those dum-dums didn't have one ready to go? Did they think they think this day would never come? Do they ever plan ahead? Seriously, they suck soooooooo much at this.
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:57 am |
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jukk0u
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Those are great idea, smjeyre. Send that shit off to Whitehouse.gov and the RNC home office. Since we have a blue state, that is your only recourse for having that opinion heard
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jdhbulseye
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sreyemj wrote: -Registration of all unlicensed machine guns to ensure these weapons do not become involved in school shootings.
Educate me here, i was under the impression that there wasn't really such a thing in America anymore as unlicensed machine guns. Also, I dont believe new taxes are necessary to pay for security, there is plenty of waste already in fed gov spending.
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"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker
A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder
Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.
Jeff Cooper 1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.
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- SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.
The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.
You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:03 am |
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jukk0u
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jdhbulseye wrote: sreyemj wrote: -Registration of all unlicensed machine guns to ensure these weapons do not become involved in school shootings.
Educate me here, i was under the impression that there wasn't really such a thing in America anymore as unlicensed machine guns. Also, I dont believe new taxes are necessary to pay for security, there is plenty of waste already in fed gov spending. That's giving them a bone, to grind and dull their teeth, but has no meat on it (unlicensed machine guns). It sounds great! And you haven't lost one additional thing that hasn't been surrendered in the '68GCA. The tax thing hits the pocket book and may dull the appetite.
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"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams
“A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:06 am |
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sreyemj
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jukk0u wrote: Those are great idea, smjeyre. Send that shit off to Whitehouse.gov and the RNC home office. Since we have a blue state, that is your only recourse for having that opinion heard I would be amazed if they even looked at it. jdhbulseye wrote: Educate me here, i was under the impression that there wasn't really such a thing in America anymore as unlicensed machine guns.
Also, I dont believe new taxes are necessary to pay for security, there is plenty of waste already in fed gov spending. It's a cute way of saying "MG amnesty". Agree on spending, but this makes it easier to sell.
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jukk0u
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sreyemj wrote: jukk0u wrote: Those are great idea, smjeyre. Send that shit off to Whitehouse.gov and the RNC home office. Since we have a blue state, that is your only recourse for having that opinion heard I would be amazed if they even looked at it. They'll never look at something never sent.
_________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith
"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams
“A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli
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FJB
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:08 am |
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Mediumrarechicken
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So the Fed gas tax can go up .35. AWESOME!!!!!!!......
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:09 am |
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sreyemj
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Mediumrarechicken wrote: So the Fed gas tax can go up .35. AWESOME!!!!!!!...... I added that as an incentive for republicans. Apparently, they're really into raising the gas tax right now so they should love this. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/14/trump-r ... s-tax.html
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:11 am |
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Guns4Liberty
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sreyemj wrote: Why can’t Republicans ever create a decent counter narrative about gun control? Because a nuanced issue requires a nuanced response; unfortunately, the audience has the attention span of a 3-year old, so the GOP comes off sounding like a bunch of boring policy wonks. Most people want 5-second sound bites and bumper-sticker slogans; they don't want to understand the nuances. It's not that the Republicans don't have a narrative, it's that no one wants to listen to it.
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:17 am |
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jdhbulseye
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Guns4Liberty wrote: sreyemj wrote: Why can’t Republicans ever create a decent counter narrative about gun control? Because a nuanced issue requires a nuanced response; unfortunately, the audience has the attention span of a 3-year old, so the GOP comes off sounding like a bunch of boring policy wonks. Most people want 5-second sound bites and bumper-sticker slogans; they don't want to understand the nuances. It's not that the Republicans don't have a narrative, it's that no one wants to listen to it. The product of state controlled indoctrination....er, i meant "education".
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- "Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot
"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker
A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder
Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.
Jeff Cooper 1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.
- Spoiler: show
- SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.
The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.
You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.
“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.” - Spoiler: show
cityslicker wrote: I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:28 am |
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WaJim
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Mediumrarechicken wrote: So the Fed gas tax can go up .35. AWESOME!!!!!!!...... Right? Now they're getting $20k per student per year. Classroom of 30 pupils =$600,000 Teacher pay (they say) $50,000 $550,000 per classroom left per year. There are 2541 pupils in Curtis High this year. 2541 X~18,333= $46,584,999.9999 for three grades in one single school. You'd think with all that money they could have any kind of security system installed with left over petty cash. Wheres all the money going.?
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:51 am |
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PMB
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I thought a good rough number was $10k/student per year. Even so, a lot of money. Where did you find $20k/year? Also, if we're assuming middle to high school, the teacher cost would be x6.
Just finished a good book by Mark Levin (Plunder and Deceit) that had a whole chapter on education in the USA ... I guess I should do a book review.
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:55 am |
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jdhbulseye
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PMB wrote: I guess I should do a book review. Im stating to get the impression that they may be futile given the low amount of traffic to that thread. If no one really cares besides the four that have posted in there so far I am inclined to not waste my time. I like doing them, but not if no one gives a damn. ETA: Yes, the last feeler I had has been wounded.
_________________MadPick wrote: Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use. - Spoiler: show
- "Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot
"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker
A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder
Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.
Jeff Cooper 1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.
- Spoiler: show
- SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.
The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.
You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.
“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.” - Spoiler: show
cityslicker wrote: I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.
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