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jukk0u
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Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21151
Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Usually a rite of passage into adulthood the knowledge and skill to shift gears is imparted from parent to child (I learned how to drive a stick when I lied about the ability to do so in order to get a job unloading semi-trucks with a fork lift, but I digress). These days, automakers seem to be phasing them out. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... rs/671078/
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:47 pm |
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CQBgopher
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Location: WA/MT Joined: Thu Sep 6, 2012 Posts: 8266
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....in America, where you can't text and drive and eat and drive and put on makeup and drive with a stick shift, and AI doesn't have an algorithm for using a clutch pedal.
Manual Bruce Jenners are all over other places equally as stupid, but more coordinated and serious about driving being a privilege.
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
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jukk0u wrote: Usually a rite of passage into adulthood the knowledge and skill to shift gears is imparted from parent to child (I learned how to drive a stick when I lied about the ability to do so in order to get a job unloading semi-trucks with a fork lift, but I digress). [/]These days, automakers seem to be phasing them out.[/b] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... rs/671078/Its not the car-makers fault. Its CAFE Standards set in place for the Mfgs each year by the US gvt. Youll also notice the engines getting smaller and turbo will be a normal thing.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:51 am |
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Eddie Dean
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Location: Chesco, PA Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 Posts: 5937
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It's a shame they're doing away with manual transmission vehicles. The trucking industry hollered at Volvo-Mack, International, Daimler Trucks North America, Peterbilt/Kenworth/Paccar some years ago because they wanted to open up the industry to those who couldn't drive stick, basically lowering the bar even more. Yes, the industry had their rotten apples even when stick was the norm but now look at the common trucker out there. Many of them drive like a Nigerian pulling an Amazon trailer. The automatic transmission made the industry accessible to those who have no business behind the wheel of a commercial vehicle. At least with stick shift, you actually had to be paying attention to what you were doing.
The Kenworth W900L I drove while living in Tejas was one of the best ones I've ever driven. It was a 13-speed and powered by a 600hp Cummins. It could pull loads in excess of 44 tons without any trouble.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:57 am |
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OhShoot!
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Location: Bellingham Canada Joined: Thu Jan 3, 2013 Posts: 4998
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After driving manual transmissions my entire life, I finally have an automatic. Not looking back and don't miss that manual in the stupid Seattle traffic every day.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:52 am |
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vic_b
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Location: Maple valley Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 Posts: 3516
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Eddie Dean wrote: It's a shame they're doing away with manual transmission vehicles. The trucking industry hollered at Volvo-Mack, International, Daimler Trucks North America, Peterbilt/Kenworth/Paccar some years ago because they wanted to open up the industry to those who couldn't drive stick, basically lowering the bar even more. Yes, the industry had their rotten apples even when stick was the norm but now look at the common trucker out there. Many of them drive like a Nigerian pulling an Amazon trailer. The automatic transmission made the industry accessible to those who have no business behind the wheel of a commercial vehicle. At least with stick shift, you actually had to be paying attention to what you were doing.
The Kenworth W900L I drove while living in Tejas was one of the best ones I've ever driven. It was a 13-speed and powered by a 600hp Cummins. It could pull loads in excess of 44 tons without any trouble. I got a trucker friend and the amount of fuel saved using the auto transmissions and computers is significant. But for the most part I agree with you. I get cut off by truckers way more than smaller car drivers. I asked him about this and he says the amount of drivers coming from 3rd world countries is increasing.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:01 am |
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bubblewhip
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Location: Redmond Joined: Wed Jul 22, 2020 Posts: 975
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Unless you are there for the "experience" there is no objective reason to run a manual transmission.
Automatic and double clutch systems are simply faster and more fuel efficient, and on top that generally more reliable than the monkey behind the wheel burning out clutch plates because of mismatched shifts.
So the cars that warrant it is ones that sell for the driving experience, your 911 GT3s, MX-5/Miata, and BRZs will still have them as long as they can keep them. Porsche said as much for the GT3.
But as far as why your Dodge Durango having a manual transmission? Who the hell cares.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:27 am |
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Liddlebit81
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Location: Napavine Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2017 Posts: 754
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I have also prefer stick over auto. But after my last accord was wrecked. Its near impossible to find a stick small sedan in used market. At least i still have my stick Kubota tractor to play with:)
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:48 am |
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jukk0u
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Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21151
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Driving a stick while four-wheeling has its advantages.
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"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams
“A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:23 am |
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oldkim
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Location: Maple Valley, WA Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 9234
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It’s like cursive writing. It’s foreign to the new kids. Totally lost and have no idea what it is and what it’s for.
I have owned over 20 cars and 9 have been manuals.
Went on a lease binge for a decade. Got a set of 2 new cars every 2 years. One for her and one for me.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:06 am |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19386
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I wonder how many here can ride a Harley with a tank shift foot clutch? I had a '48 FL.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:09 am |
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chuckisduck
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Location: Lynnwood Joined: Sat Nov 28, 2020 Posts: 772
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jukk0u wrote: Driving a stick while four-wheeling has its advantages. I can't think of any other case where the monkey outdoes the computer. My Wrangler is the last manual I plan to own.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:59 pm |
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Rix86
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Location: Shelton Joined: Sun Nov 17, 2013 Posts: 5837
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jukk0u wrote: Driving a stick while four-wheeling has its advantages. I can't imagine drifting without a manual.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:23 pm |
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Fishinpnw
Location: Tri Cities Joined: Tue Jan 8, 2019 Posts: 705
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Rix86 wrote: jukk0u wrote: Driving a stick while four-wheeling has its advantages. I can't imagine drifting without a manual. This. For sports cars a manual is a must. Driving an automatic just isn't the same. For anything else (particularly a commuter car), I like to stick with Auto's. Just so much easier in traffic than pumping the clutch every 5 feet.
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:02 pm |
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
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It just cost me $135 plus shipping for me to fix my Toyota 4x4 5 speed.
Plus gear oil.
Automatic same year would be $2000-$2500 minimum.
Thats with me humping the bitch in and out.
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