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"Some dozen officials have quit their posts after a huge political shake-up over allegations and probes into cases ranging from bribery, to mismanagement of aid funds for purchasing food, to embezzlement, to driving expensive cars while common people suffer under wartime conditions."


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Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:23 pm
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So for those who defend inflating our currency and putting our great great grandchildren into more debt, how much waste and corruption is too much?

How much fraud and abuse has to occur before you stop supporting sending money to Zelenskyy?

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https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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The corruption is coming out



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Hunter Biden email shows he likely leaked classified info to Ukraine in 2014 that he got from his dad.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/suspiciou ... p-senator/

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https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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Isn’t that the former Fox News guy that moved his family to Portugal trying to outrun dozens of lawsuits over a real estate Ponzi scheme he was running?




(Edited to add that I do believe Zelensky, et al, are corrupt…)


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So --- NOW Joeblo wants to send 31 Abrahams tank to Zelensky ---.

And yeah --- I want to see SOME kind of accountability as to where all the $$$$$$$$$$ we sent them ended up ----- looks like typical Ukrainian corruption used it all up.



They sent Abrams yesterday.

They report run on diesel which is according to the news a good thing. What no Tessla motor?

but arent Abrams turbine...so im no pilot but dont turbine engines run on Jp4..?

They sending instructors as well.





Apparently Zaulinnisky wanted Leoppard tanks.

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So for those who defend inflating our currency and putting our great great grandchildren into more debt, how much waste and corruption is too much?

How much fraud and abuse has to occur before you stop supporting sending money to Zelenskyy?


If we abandon Ukraine and Russia takes over the country, what next?

Will they be done, and the world will be at peace? Or will it be another country a year later, and another a year after that? And finally a country “we care about” after that?

You can talk shit about Ukraine and some of it is undoubtedly true, but nobody can claim that Russia is the good guy here.

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If we abandon Ukraine and Russia takes over the country, what next?

Will they be done, and the world will be at peace? Or will it be another country a year later, and another a year after that? And finally a country “we care about” after that?

You can talk shit about Ukraine and some of it is undoubtedly true, but nobody can claim that Russia is the good guy here.


You sound like a war drum beating liberal there....
Couldn't you have said the same thing about the US in Iran? Oh wait.... I mean Iraq. No --- wait a minute, I mean Afghanistan..... Maybe it was Syria? I've lost track....

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MadPick wrote:
Alpine wrote:
So for those who defend inflating our currency and putting our great great grandchildren into more debt, how much waste and corruption is too much?

How much fraud and abuse has to occur before you stop supporting sending money to Zelenskyy?


If we abandon Ukraine and Russia takes over the country, what next?

Will they be done, and the world will be at peace? Or will it be another country a year later, and another a year after that? And finally a country “we care about” after that?

You can talk shit about Ukraine and some of it is undoubtedly true, but nobody can claim that Russia is the good guy here.


Russia is the better guy. They are taking back land that is/was theirs, and still IS culturally theirs. The people of the Donbass region have been attacked and killed for years, being attacked by forces of their own country; Ukraine.

It's a civil war, that Russia has a vested interest in.

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Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:14 am
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MadPick wrote:
Alpine wrote:
So for those who defend inflating our currency and putting our great great grandchildren into more debt, how much waste and corruption is too much?

How much fraud and abuse has to occur before you stop supporting sending money to Zelenskyy?


If we abandon Ukraine and Russia takes over the country, what next?

Will they be done, and the world will be at peace? Or will it be another country a year later, and another a year after that? And finally a country “we care about” after that?

You can talk shit about Ukraine and some of it is undoubtedly true, but nobody can claim that Russia is the good guy here.

Cross apply everything you said to not only the list above that John wrote, but also Tibet.

Is China a "good guy?" If not why don't we fund/support liberation/rebel movements in their occupied and invaded conquests?

Are you willing to destroy our country and our currency to be a selective and hypocritical world policeman?

Liberals can't seem to explain why Ukraine gets help but Afghanistan and Tibet don't. Maybe it's because the Ukrainians are white and liberals are racist...
(Satire but a damn good point)

Regardless my question stands. During the Cold War the US propped up a lot of dictators. Did you know that the second largest recipient of foreign aid after Israel was Nasser's/Mubarak's Egypt?

So are we returning to the Cold war era of the US propping up third world dictators that the Democrat party gets caught in financial scandals with? Let's just be honest if we are and if our Treasury has turned into the DNC's piggy bank for political favors.

I would also like an answer to the question. How much money should be thrown into Ukraine before we give up? 200 billion? A trillion? 10 trillion? And is it worth destroying our currency? Should it be the very last thing the US does before we turn off the lights? Seen the mass layoffs lately? The "recession" that the Dems want to pretend isn't happening is getting stronger teeth every day.

We have a threshold and basis of comparison for how much we spent in Afghanistan before the Dems abandoned them, although to be fair we invaded that country ourselves so we could ensure the money was spent a little bit better than just handing it to a corrupt dictator.

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https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
Quote:
[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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MadPick wrote:
Alpine wrote:
So for those who defend inflating our currency and putting our great great grandchildren into more debt, how much waste and corruption is too much?

How much fraud and abuse has to occur before you stop supporting sending money to Zelenskyy?


If we abandon Ukraine and Russia takes over the country, what next?

Will they be done, and the world will be at peace? Or will it be another country a year later, and another a year after that? And finally a country “we care about” after that?

You can talk shit about Ukraine and some of it is undoubtedly true, but nobody can claim that Russia is the good guy here.

100% correct!


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I wouldnt trust Zillinsky as far as I could throw an 18 wheeler.

US interest in Ukraiiiine boils down to their products. Ya know Fertilizer etc etc etc....

Odd that the alt-Left cried "No Blood For Oil" 50 yrs ago but now are doing the opposite.
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But in 1973 there was a Republican president.




And yeah Russia has the same interest but as far as i'm concerned Zally can suck a bag of dicks...and probably has.

Shut down the black sea with turkey...

The fuk he think Putin was gonna do?

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Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:03 am
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Alpine wrote:
MadPick wrote:
Alpine wrote:
So for those who defend inflating our currency and putting our great great grandchildren into more debt, how much waste and corruption is too much?

How much fraud and abuse has to occur before you stop supporting sending money to Zelenskyy?


If we abandon Ukraine and Russia takes over the country, what next?

Will they be done, and the world will be at peace? Or will it be another country a year later, and another a year after that? And finally a country “we care about” after that?

You can talk shit about Ukraine and some of it is undoubtedly true, but nobody can claim that Russia is the good guy here.

Cross apply everything you said to not only the list above that John wrote, but also Tibet.

Is China a "good guy?" If not why don't we fund/support liberation/rebel movements in their occupied and invaded conquests?

Are you willing to destroy our country and our currency to be a selective and hypocritical world policeman?

Liberals can't seem to explain why Ukraine gets help but Afghanistan and Tibet don't. Maybe it's because the Ukrainians are white and liberals are racist...
(Satire but a damn good point)

Regardless my question stands. During the Cold War the US propped up a lot of dictators. Did you know that the second largest recipient of foreign aid after Israel was Nasser's/Mubarak's Egypt?

So are we returning to the Cold war era of the US propping up third world dictators that the Democrat party gets caught in financial scandals with? Let's just be honest if we are and if our Treasury has turned into the DNC's piggy bank for political favors.

I would also like an answer to the question. How much money should be thrown into Ukraine before we give up? 200 billion? A trillion? 10 trillion? And is it worth destroying our currency? Should it be the very last thing the US does before we turn off the lights? Seen the mass layoffs lately? The "recession" that the Dems want to pretend isn't happening is getting stronger teeth every day.

We have a threshold and basis of comparison for how much we spent in Afghanistan before the Dems abandoned them, although to be fair we invaded that country ourselves so we could ensure the money was spent a little bit better than just handing it to a corrupt dictator.

It's not about "good guys" or morality, it's strategic. Who does China threaten if they take tibet? Nepal, Bhutan, etc. No place where we have any strategic interests.
who does Russia threaten if they take ukraine? Poland and Nato.
I don't give a damn about Ukraine, but due to strategic placement, we have interests there. Giving up is the worst thing that could be done.


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Duke EB wrote:
Alpine wrote:
MadPick wrote:
Alpine wrote:
So for those who defend inflating our currency and putting our great great grandchildren into more debt, how much waste and corruption is too much?

How much fraud and abuse has to occur before you stop supporting sending money to Zelenskyy?


If we abandon Ukraine and Russia takes over the country, what next?

Will they be done, and the world will be at peace? Or will it be another country a year later, and another a year after that? And finally a country “we care about” after that?

You can talk shit about Ukraine and some of it is undoubtedly true, but nobody can claim that Russia is the good guy here.

Cross apply everything you said to not only the list above that John wrote, but also Tibet.

Is China a "good guy?" If not why don't we fund/support liberation/rebel movements in their occupied and invaded conquests?

Are you willing to destroy our country and our currency to be a selective and hypocritical world policeman?

Liberals can't seem to explain why Ukraine gets help but Afghanistan and Tibet don't. Maybe it's because the Ukrainians are white and liberals are racist...
(Satire but a damn good point)

Regardless my question stands. During the Cold War the US propped up a lot of dictators. Did you know that the second largest recipient of foreign aid after Israel was Nasser's/Mubarak's Egypt?

So are we returning to the Cold war era of the US propping up third world dictators that the Democrat party gets caught in financial scandals with? Let's just be honest if we are and if our Treasury has turned into the DNC's piggy bank for political favors.

I would also like an answer to the question. How much money should be thrown into Ukraine before we give up? 200 billion? A trillion? 10 trillion? And is it worth destroying our currency? Should it be the very last thing the US does before we turn off the lights? Seen the mass layoffs lately? The "recession" that the Dems want to pretend isn't happening is getting stronger teeth every day.

We have a threshold and basis of comparison for how much we spent in Afghanistan before the Dems abandoned them, although to be fair we invaded that country ourselves so we could ensure the money was spent a little bit better than just handing it to a corrupt dictator.

It's not about "good guys" or morality, it's strategic. Who does China threaten if they take tibet? Nepal, Bhutan, etc. No place where we have any strategic interests.
who does Russia threaten if they take ukraine? Poland and Nato.
I don't give a damn about Ukraine, but due to strategic placement, we have interests there. Giving up is the worst thing that could be done.

Ok, despite all the "freedom!" BS the libs are spewing about "Ukraine's rights" I'll play Devil's Advocate and let's limit this to USA's strategic interests.

Tell us what happened when we let the Taliban hold Afghanistan. Go on.

Then quantify the economic effects of 9-11 and all subsequent events resulting from it.

Given the history and provable causation involved, which is a better investment, Ukraine or Afghanistan?

I'll help you out, a giant part of our national debt is due to that. So given the geo-political conditions that led to that situation easily repeating do we want to spend that much or more all over again?

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https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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