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Vault doors - Suggestions?
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 Site Moderator   Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13503 Real Name: Mike 
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We’ll be moving into our new home this week and I’ll finally have a space to construct a vault room. I’ve been reading up on vault wall construction for the 2 walls that aren’t concrete foundation but there isn’t a whole lot of first hand info on vault doors. Any of you guys used them? Thoughts? Recommendations?
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| Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:17 am |
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Site Supporter   Location: Maple Valley, WA Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 9266 Real Name: Young
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Had a buddy put one in like 10 years ago.
He went through NW Safe in Enumclaw. It’s not cheap but they install and it’s opens like a dream. |
| Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:24 am |
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Site Admin   Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38307 Real Name: Dan
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Construct a CMU wall for the wall that is going to hold the vault door.
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| Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:27 am |
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Site Moderator Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13503 Real Name: Mike
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oldkim wrote: Had a buddy put one in like 10 years ago. He went through NW Safe in Enumclaw. It’s not cheap but they install and it’s opens like a dream. Thanks Young. I’ll look into nw safe Massivedesign wrote: Construct a CMU wall for the wall that is going to hold the vault door. I may have to pick your brain on how to do that with an existing ceiling above the wall. I’ve read that rebar reinforced stud wall with chicken wire layered over with concrete board are a good option. Not sure how well I could get the vault door fasteners to bite into masonry block or how to stack and fill them with a ceiling above them. _________________ Licensed/Bonded/Insured Hardwood Floor Installer/Finisher http://www.hardwoodfloorsnw.com/ |
| Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:32 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Maple Valley, WA Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 9266 Real Name: Young
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This is from 3 years ago. David, owner (well son of owner)
6’ 6” Also good to see how one would be ideally placed in a bunker. |
| Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:43 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Mohave Valley Arizona Joined: Fri May 20, 2011 Posts: 13371 Real Name: Casey
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My Buddy used a Fort Knox door on his vault
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| Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:49 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Burlington Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 Posts: 5999 Real Name: Kyle
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The cursory reading I've done, I will be using NW Safe. The door will cost more than the whole rest of the project combined, but will be a much safer and secure option than my previous plan of a steel commercial door and reinforced jamb/walls.
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| Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:58 am |
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Site Admin Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38307 Real Name: Dan
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Sinus211 wrote: Massivedesign wrote: Construct a CMU wall for the wall that is going to hold the vault door. I may have to pick your brain on how to do that with an existing ceiling above the wall. I’ve read that rebar reinforced stud wall with chicken wire layered over with concrete board are a good option. Not sure how well I could get the vault door fasteners to bite into masonry block or how to stack and fill them with a ceiling above them. You secure the CMU to the ground (epoxy anchor bolts) and to the side walls (wood furring with all-thread sticking into the CMU). You don't attach to the ceiling, end the CMU just below (then you can add a furred wall in front of the CMU that goes all the way up to the ceiling). You only really need to fill the cells that the door attaches to, but I would do the whole thing. You do that by making holes at the top cells and then pumping grout in. |
| Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:03 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21266 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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this month's American Rifleman has an advert for snapdoor.com, (a Hornady company), vault doors.
looks like they also have snap together safes that are "as secure as a welded safe". https://snapsafe.com/ _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:25 pm |
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Site Moderator Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13503 Real Name: Mike
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While that’s interesting I’m looking at securing a 8’ x 14’ space. Looks like it’s more geared towards building an irregular specd safe than securing a walk in room. Did I misinterpret?
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| Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:12 am |
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Site Admin Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38307 Real Name: Dan
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We have snap safes at work in some of our offices. Easy to assemble, but nowhere near the rigidity or feel of a real safe. Also provides shit for fire rating.
For a large home collection, these are not the safes you are looking for. |
| Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:19 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21266 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Sinus211 wrote: While that’s interesting I’m looking at securing a 8’ x 14’ space. Looks like it’s more geared towards building an irregular specd safe than securing a walk in room. Did I misinterpret? They also offer vault doors _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:27 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21266 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Massivedesign wrote: We have snap safes at work in some of our offices. Easy to assemble, but nowhere near the rigidity or feel of a real safe. Also provides shit for fire rating. For a large home collection, these are not the safes you are looking for. I'm not defending them - I only yesterday saw the advert and I'm not selling so I have nothing at stake - but only wish to discuss... One of their most prominently touted features is their (Snapsafe's) fire rating. Was your comment, in re fire rating, a general assessment of modular safes, a comment about the ones at work, or on Snapsafes? I think they claim good to 2400* but I don't recall a time rating. As for security, many of us saw how Dana's RSD was breached and removed.  and I don't recall that his was a "cheap" RSD, and Hornady/Snapsafe claims "as secure as a welded safe". So, I'm not sure that it's that much of an issue as far as RSD's go. If a guy can, and is prepared to break into one of these, they're probably capable of cracking your welded case? The only best step is to step up a notch on security rating above that of Residential Security Devices._________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:50 am |
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Site Admin Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38307 Real Name: Dan
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Sure. The box can withstand 2400 degrees…. But it’s also about as airtight as a window screen. So the inside will also be 2400 degrees.
If you want a better build stack-on. This is it. As I said we use them at work, but don’t keep mission critical files or drives in them. Just for personal storage of everyday items that our company supports us having. |
| Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:36 am |
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Do something cool, like a 2" slab of AR500 on rollers that slides into the steel clad wall. 4" diameter full door perimeter locking lugs motor driven , digital keypad for powering it up for open/close cycles. Secret squirrel manual crank mechanism hidden away for the power outages, or when you are too fucked up to remember your password.
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