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No one is making shit up.

This ranks right up there with Seattle trying to ban guns in parks.

'If you're carrying a gun we'll ask you to leave and if you don't leave you're trespassing'..


Strawman argument.


How in the everliving fuck is that a strawman argument?

They're making the same argument.

'we're not arresting you for X, you can do X, we're arresting you for Y, because you're DOING X'..


A few simple questions that sound the same, but have way different answers are why they are nowhere near the same argument.

1 - Can Seattle Ban Guns in Parks? Can the US Capitol mandate masks in the buildings?
2 - Can Seattle PD legally ask you to leave a park for carrying a gun in a park? Can the USCP legally ask you to leave a building because you are in violation of the mask policy?


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Also, 22-3302 give authority for arrest for trespass, NOT for failure to mask. So, you won't get arrested for not masking, you will get arrested for not leaving if you refuse to mask.



:ROFLMAO: The fuck's the difference? You actually SEE a difference? In the words of the shriveled up oligarch "c'mooooon, man".

This shit is insane.

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Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:
Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:

No one is making shit up.

This ranks right up there with Seattle trying to ban guns in parks.

'If you're carrying a gun we'll ask you to leave and if you don't leave you're trespassing'..


Strawman argument.


How in the everliving fuck is that a strawman argument?

They're making the same argument.

'we're not arresting you for X, you can do X, we're arresting you for Y, because you're DOING X'..


A few simple questions that sound the same, but have way different answers are why they are nowhere near the same argument.

1 - Can Seattle Ban Guns in Parks? Can the US Capitol mandate masks in the buildings?
2 - Can Seattle PD legally ask you to leave a park for carrying a gun in a park? Can the USCP legally ask you to leave a building because you are in violation of the mask policy?


Generally speaking, you cannot be trespassed from public property unless you're breaking the law.

Generally speaking, govt cannot inhibit freedom of expression.

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TechnoWeenie wrote:
Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:
Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:

No one is making shit up.

This ranks right up there with Seattle trying to ban guns in parks.

'If you're carrying a gun we'll ask you to leave and if you don't leave you're trespassing'..


Strawman argument.


How in the everliving fuck is that a strawman argument?

They're making the same argument.

'we're not arresting you for X, you can do X, we're arresting you for Y, because you're DOING X'..


A few simple questions that sound the same, but have way different answers are why they are nowhere near the same argument.

1 - Can Seattle Ban Guns in Parks? Can the US Capitol mandate masks in the buildings?
2 - Can Seattle PD legally ask you to leave a park for carrying a gun in a park? Can the USCP legally ask you to leave a building because you are in violation of the mask policy?


Generally speaking, you cannot be trespassed from public property unless you're breaking the law.

Generally speaking, govt cannot inhibit freedom of expression.


I guess we can continue down the path of spiraling goalposts... Is being unmasked a recognized freedom of expression? (yes, I know the irony of using recognized with a natural right).

it really doesn't matter the answer, because while you tried to draw a straight line between these scenarios, you have to take many detours. That doesn't mean that I don't think that the whole thing isn't BS and I am advocating for arresting people. I am just pointing out what they are enforcing is LAW, and what all gun owners have always demanded our .gov to do is to follow the damn law.


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World Affairs Brief, July 30, 2021 Commentary and Insights on a Troubled World.
Copyright Joel Skousen. Joel Skousen’s World Affairs Brief (http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com).

As the Democrat-controlled investigating committee holds hearings on the January 6th so-called “insurrection” at the capitol, the NY Times is now calling Trump supporters, “enemies of the state”

It’s a show trial to further poison the image of Trump supporters as “domestic terrorists.” Mark Levin on an interview with Sean Hannity took exception to the repeated claim that the Jan 6 entrance on the capitol was the “worst attack since 9/11". He outlined 3 other real terrorist attacks on the Capitol. Jan was not even close.

In 1979 president Jimmy Carter released 3 Puerto Rican terrorists who shot at members of Congress from the House floor, wounding 5 members of the House of Representatives. On the last day of Bill Clinton’s presidency, he pardoned Susan Rosenberg, a member of the Weather Underground, convicted and serving a 58 year sentence for participating in the bombing of the US Capitol—who help found the BLM movement. Obama mentor Bill Ayers was also convicted of bombing the capitol, and ended up in an accidental explosion with other domestic terrorists preparing other bombs.

https://www.american.edu/sis/centers/se ... ferent.cfm

There have been numerous bombings of the US Capitol. In 1915, former Harvard professor Erich Muenter planted three sticks of dynamite in a Senate reception room. In March 1971, the Weather Underground set off a bomb in a bathroom on the Senate side. The most destructive was the November 1983 bombing by the May 19th (M19) Communist Organization, the only ever all-female terrorist group. The women issued a warning minutes before the device detonated in the Capitol’s north wing. No one was hurt in any of these incidents.

Individuals have also attacked the Capitol for no known reason. In 1998, Russell Eugene Weston entered the East front entrance armed with a .38 revolver. The metal detector chimed, but Capitol police were unable to react before Weston opened fire. Two were killed, later becoming the first private citizens to lie in honor in the Rotunda. Badly wounded, Weston ended up in Senator Tom DeLay’s office where Senator Bill Frist, a heart surgeon, saved his life. That incident led to the construction of an underground visitors’ entrance that opened in 2008.

https://history.house.gov/Oral-History/ ... -Shooting/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Unit ... te_bombing


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Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:
Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:
Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:

No one is making shit up.

This ranks right up there with Seattle trying to ban guns in parks.

'If you're carrying a gun we'll ask you to leave and if you don't leave you're trespassing'..


Strawman argument.


How in the everliving fuck is that a strawman argument?

They're making the same argument.

'we're not arresting you for X, you can do X, we're arresting you for Y, because you're DOING X'..


A few simple questions that sound the same, but have way different answers are why they are nowhere near the same argument.

1 - Can Seattle Ban Guns in Parks? Can the US Capitol mandate masks in the buildings?
2 - Can Seattle PD legally ask you to leave a park for carrying a gun in a park? Can the USCP legally ask you to leave a building because you are in violation of the mask policy?


Generally speaking, you cannot be trespassed from public property unless you're breaking the law.

Generally speaking, govt cannot inhibit freedom of expression.


I guess we can continue down the path of spiraling goalposts... Is being unmasked a recognized freedom of expression? (yes, I know the irony of using recognized with a natural right).

it really doesn't matter the answer, because while you tried to draw a straight line between these scenarios, you have to take many detours. That doesn't mean that I don't think that the whole thing isn't BS and I am advocating for arresting people. I am just pointing out what they are enforcing is LAW, and what all gun owners have always demanded our .gov to do is to follow the damn law.


It's a pretty clear line. They're trying to apply the law in a way which circumvents the restrictions placed on government.

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TechnoWeenie wrote:

It's a pretty clear line. They're trying to apply the law in a way which circumvents the restrictions placed on government.


Which restrictions? Mask required are no different than requiring visitors to wear pants. if said person refuses to put on said mask pants, then they can be arrested for trespassing. Cause and Effect. Besides the fact that there is an obvious special treatment in the policy, this whole thing is a nothingburger.


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Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:

It's a pretty clear line. They're trying to apply the law in a way which circumvents the restrictions placed on government.


Which restrictions? Mask required are no different than requiring visitors to wear pants. if said person refuses to put on said mask pants, then they can be arrested for trespassing. Cause and Effect. Besides the fact that there is an obvious special treatment in the policy, this whole thing is a nothingburger.


You're not gonna like what I have to say, but you probably already know what it is.

What constitutional authority do they have to require pants be worn in public ?

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TechnoWeenie wrote:
Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:

It's a pretty clear line. They're trying to apply the law in a way which circumvents the restrictions placed on government.


Which restrictions? Mask required are no different than requiring visitors to wear pants. if said person refuses to put on said mask pants, then they can be arrested for trespassing. Cause and Effect. Besides the fact that there is an obvious special treatment in the policy, this whole thing is a nothingburger.


You're not gonna like what I have to say, but you probably already know what it is.

What constitutional authority do they have to require pants be worn in public ?


Answering a question with another question just creates a circular discussion where you just control the narrative while never actually being able to articulate your argument. I'll pass on the back and forth until a more substantive argument can be presented.


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Wait! I don't have to wear pants?

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Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:
Massivedesign wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:

It's a pretty clear line. They're trying to apply the law in a way which circumvents the restrictions placed on government.


Which restrictions? Mask required are no different than requiring visitors to wear pants. if said person refuses to put on said mask pants, then they can be arrested for trespassing. Cause and Effect. Besides the fact that there is an obvious special treatment in the policy, this whole thing is a nothingburger.


You're not gonna like what I have to say, but you probably already know what it is.

What constitutional authority do they have to require pants be worn in public ?


Answering a question with another question just creates a circular discussion where you just control the narrative while never actually being able to articulate your argument. I'll pass on the back and forth until a more substantive argument can be presented.


They have no legal authority to make anyone wear pants, nor do they have legal authority to make anyone wear a mask

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It could be argued that the pants thing passes muster, in that we have laws regarding indecent exposure.

The mask thing is not scientific, and is completely arbitrary.

THAT is the difference. And no, "their crib their rules" only goes so far.

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