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Yes, it does. Both my AAA and Tesla Roadside covers delivery to a supercharger.


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People keep stating this $12,000 or $15,00 battery replacement figure as a fact for all EVs when in reality it's only applicable to Tesla.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/ ... eplacement

The replacement cost for a battery in a Nissan leaf is 5k-9.5k where a Tesla is 15k.

Those aren't far off the line of total engine replacement costs for a Toyota Camry and BMW respectively.


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People keep stating this $12,000 or $15,00 battery replacement figure as a fact for all EVs when in reality it's only applicable to Tesla.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/ ... eplacement

The replacement cost for a battery in a Nissan leaf is 5k-9.5k where a Tesla is 15k.

Those aren't far off the line of total engine replacement costs for a Toyota Camry and BMW respectively.


That is only accurate if you do absolutely nothing yourself and pay retail top dollar for the repair. Something you don't have to do with a Toyota or a BMW, but perhaps must with a Tesla, if they have their way.

How many hours/cycles/miles is a Leaf battery good for? Compared to a properly maintained engine?

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CQBgopher wrote:
bubblewhip wrote:
People keep stating this $12,000 or $15,00 battery replacement figure as a fact for all EVs when in reality it's only applicable to Tesla.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/ ... eplacement

The replacement cost for a battery in a Nissan leaf is 5k-9.5k where a Tesla is 15k.

Those aren't far off the line of total engine replacement costs for a Toyota Camry and BMW respectively.


That is only accurate if you do absolutely nothing yourself and pay retail top dollar for the repair. Something you don't have to do with a Toyota or a BMW, but perhaps must with a Tesla, if they have their way.

How many hours/cycles/miles is a Leaf battery good for? Compared to a properly maintained engine?


Already covered in previous posts for a Tesla. And LI batteries aren't that different between cars.

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Also, you neglect to factor in battery costs, replacement, and increased demand and lesser supply. Where do all the dead batteries go?

I don't think we can really go electric until we develop newer electricity storage technologies... There are some really promising developments, though.

Well, I also neglected to factor in oil changes, spark plugs, brake pads and shoes (from lack of Regen braking), transmission fluid and replacements, as well as the odd head gasket blowing.

But it's not like those costs very much, as anyone can tell you from a trip to the dealership.


What's the equivalent mileage that a battery powered vehicle needs its batteries replaced vs major engine repair on a gasser?

I think the tesla batteries are rated at, what, 1500 cycles? each cycle with a theoretical max of ~400 miles? So, that'd be (400*1500)....600,000 miles? That's pretty impressive, admittedly.


You'd be lucky if a BMW reaches over 200,000


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wrong thread sorry


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Somewhere in this mess someone asked why aren't hybrids being pushed first before EV's or something like that?
Battery replacements are less, mpg is still really good.
So...?

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They are. Most mfgs are coming out with an impressive PHEV lineup.


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Can't remember the details but I had a friend with a hybrid years ago that the main part of the energy recovery system went out

Part no longer made, couldn't rebuild the old one. Basically had to leave it in the car and carry it around even though it wasn't doing anything. Or gamble on a used one

IIRC it was a Honda Insight that wasn't that old, maybe 15 years

So yea, looked great on paper, but the long term reality showed otherwise

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Can't remember the details but I had a friend with a hybrid years ago that the main part of the energy recovery system went out

Part no longer made, couldn't rebuild the old one. Basically had to leave it in the car and carry it around even though it wasn't doing anything. Or gamble on a used one

IIRC it was a Honda Insight that wasn't that old, maybe 15 years

So yea, looked great on paper, but the long term reality showed otherwise

This is kinda what I was thinking. IIRC aren't mfg's only required to make a ten year supply of parts before discontinuing? If that's the case, ten years is not a long time.

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Can't remember the details but I had a friend with a hybrid years ago that the main part of the energy recovery system went out

Part no longer made, couldn't rebuild the old one. Basically had to leave it in the car and carry it around even though it wasn't doing anything. Or gamble on a used one

IIRC it was a Honda Insight that wasn't that old, maybe 15 years

So yea, looked great on paper, but the long term reality showed otherwise

This is kinda what I was thinking. IIRC aren't mfg's only required to make a ten year supply of parts before discontinuing? If that's the case, ten years is not a long time.
True of all cars though, not just EV. So same problem of long term parts. Today's cars are not like they were in 80's. Alternators, water pumps, etc are all unique now so no interchanging like old days.

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CQBgopher wrote:
The replacement cost for a battery in a Nissan leaf is 5k-9.5k where a Tesla is 15k.

Nissan leases batteries on some of their cars, i'm wondering if that is included in the replacement price.


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Tesla tried to force a customer to pay $4,500 ransom over 80 miles of range that the company software-locked in his battery pack. The automaker only started to walk back on the strategy to squeeze $4,500 out of its customers after an uproar on social media.

https://electrek.co/2022/07/26/tesla-ra ... ery-range/

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