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Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:44 am
sportsdad60
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Speaking of boeing waste, when I was a machinist, and during my tool making career, I witnessed so much waste that cost the company loads of money. Whenever I brought it up to management I was told to mind my own business.
This "Blind eye" approach from management carried on to my IT career as well. Spaghetti code written, and used, to modify out of the box software to make it "fit Boeing business needs" that was in constant code re-write, followed by alpha and beta testing before being released to production, which in some cases brought the system down to its knees, with a lot of pissed on engineers after a major block point release.
When I was an engineering application analyst, I got to listen first hand directly from engineers that were fed up with Boeing IT support and started writing their own code in order to bypass the lenghty process of getting code changes into place. I don't blame them, sometimes it took up to a year to make a simple code change that would benefit the engineers on the "shop floor". It was at this point I got my masters in Project Management and started managing the analysts as well as the "Code monkeys". Application Analysts acted as a liason between the engineers and the software companies. At one time we had over 1600 apps used to build a 777. My nickname by engineers became "Mr. Requirements"
Most of this "Under the Table, gotta get my job done" code written by the engineers was not FAA accredited. When code starts affecting the build of an actual airplane, it was required to be accredited. So, the latter part of my career was taking engineer's "shop floor code" and placing it on "legal servers" as well as accrediting it by FAA standards. My team took a simple approach to it and managers were amazed by what we got accomplished. We'd get out of sequence raises, bonuses, etc for doing such simple things as turning off spaghetti code servers and telling engineers "You're not using that anymore, we'll find you another solution though". LOL!
What a shit show Boeing IT was. Nowadays most everything is outsourced to 3rd party IT businesses such as Tata. And that created it's own shitshow of delay for Boeing engineers.
Our resident Toilet Maker can probably validate this post as he uses a lot of software I used to support, such as CATIA (V3, V4 and V5), Enovia, Delmia, etc.
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Requirements (I'm guessing): From varying pressure ranges, in all stages of flight, cycle between bleed off air or stored pressure, evacuate human waste from one of 52 sexes with minimal seepage. Collect solid and liquid waste and occasional garbage into container and allow to its storage until collected by maintenance personnel. Connect with on board flight management system to include turn on/off, systems status, fill level, pressurization, maintenance messages. Connect with internal pressurization of aircraft and manage the varying pressure and power fluctuations of aircraft. As per all other government programs, manage safety, maintainability, spread of disease, fungal spread. Operate from -32 to 120 degrees (F). Must not be too hot or cold to the touch. Add germicide (or heat?) to human waste at intervals. Notify flight management of error. Perform self test. Maintain a high level of mean time between failures, since you probably only have one toilet and it's got to be 100% reliable. Recycle liquid waste to drinkable water or at least contribute filtered water to such system. Minimize blockages in system, smell. Operate from a degraded state (due to its lower system priority compared to others, e.g. flight, environmental). Provide minimal user interface to include status, stage of operation, fill level. Minimal use of liquid for movement of waste to include recycling of liquid. Let noxious gases outside.
from a very high level
This isn't a simple gravity toilet with a water feed going in one way and a tank with opening on the other end. It definitely ties in with other electrical, pressurization, and data bus systems at the very least.
Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:27 pm
usrifle
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Requirements (I'm guessing): From varying pressure ranges, in all stages of flight, cycle between bleed off air or stored pressure, evacuate human waste from one of 52 sexes with minimal seepage. Collect solid and liquid waste and occasional garbage into container and allow to its storage until collected by maintenance personnel. Connect with on board flight management system to include turn on/off, systems status, fill level, pressurization, maintenance messages. Connect with internal pressurization of aircraft and manage the varying pressure and power fluctuations of aircraft. As per all other government programs, manage safety, maintainability, spread of disease, fungal spread. Operate from -32 to 120 degrees (F). Must not be too hot or cold to the touch. Add germicide (or heat?) to human waste at intervals. Notify flight management of error. Perform self test. Maintain a high level of mean time between failures, since you probably only have one toilet and it's got to be 100% reliable. Recycle liquid waste to drinkable water or at least contribute filtered water to such system. Minimize blockages in system, smell. Operate from a degraded state (due to its lower system priority compared to others, e.g. flight, environmental). Provide minimal user interface to include status, stage of operation, fill level. Minimal use of liquid for movement of waste to include recycling of liquid. Let noxious gases outside.
from a very high level
This isn't a simple gravity toilet with a water feed going in one way and a tank with opening on the other end. It definitely ties in with other electrical, pressurization, and data bus systems at the very least.
$23,000,000 and "minimal seepage"? HA
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Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:00 pm
jackass
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In a zero-low gravity environment with a human applying a suction device which may not fit all the way, all the time, and it being taken off before everything is extracted, nothing is 100%. I don't think they will have toilet paper. Therefore having a robust system that can handle less than perfection is preferred. The air filtration will have to handle the rest.
Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:42 pm
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26 year old 777-200, engine explodes on climb out and it returns safely on one engine. Yeah, i'd call that Airframe some well made "shit".
Yep, that’s on the airline...maintenance issue.
Exactly.
It has nothing to do with a Boeing built Airframe. It was an engine failure
It's a common misconception that Boeing (or any other Large Jet manufacturer) makes the Engine's that power their Airplanes.
Blaming a catastrophic Jet Engine failure with a 26 YO Jet on the manufacturer of the Airframe is an uneducated statement. Boeing doesn't manufacture the Engines, the seats, or decide how much leg room you get when you sit your Ass down.
The real story here is a 26 year old Boeing 777-200 survived a catastrophic Engine failure and safely landed on one Engine with 241 Souls on board.
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Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:27 pm
TechnoWeenie
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What's interesting to note, is 3 years ago, almost to the day, its sister aircraft had the exact same failure...
The one that happened the other day had a tail number of N772UA, the tail number on the aircraft from 2018 was N773UA.
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Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:38 am
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