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Seattle/Portland riot thread (formerly Riot in Seattle)
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TechnoWeenie
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Arisaka wrote: Sadly, unless you can prove in court that a reasonable person would be justifiable in fear of his life, then you are screwed. Plus you have to prove that the attackers had the ability and opportunity to do you grave harm. Pepper spray might not provide that ability. The courts will decide that for you.
Again, I hate these antifa cocksuckers. But, a gun isn’t always the right answer in a legal sense. If it’s the only tool you possess, then consider running away (probably the best choice) or learning to fight. In this case, the guy should have stayed in his truck and drove off. If he was prevented from leaving, that adds to his case. And remember, no matter what happens, there will be lawyers, police, judges and all that shit you don’t want to be involved with. So unless you are pretty damn sure you are going to die or be grievously hurt, don’t draw your gun.
I don’t like it, but that is how it is. If I pepper spray a cop, I get shot...The justification being 'I can't let them get near me, they might disarm me and kill me'.. If it's a valid excuse for them, it's a valid excuse for everyone else.
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Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:48 pm |
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Arisaka
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TechnoWeenie wrote: Arisaka wrote: Sadly, unless you can prove in court that a reasonable person would be justifiable in fear of his life, then you are screwed. Plus you have to prove that the attackers had the ability and opportunity to do you grave harm. Pepper spray might not provide that ability. The courts will decide that for you.
Again, I hate these antifa cocksuckers. But, a gun isn’t always the right answer in a legal sense. If it’s the only tool you possess, then consider running away (probably the best choice) or learning to fight. In this case, the guy should have stayed in his truck and drove off. If he was prevented from leaving, that adds to his case. And remember, no matter what happens, there will be lawyers, police, judges and all that shit you don’t want to be involved with. So unless you are pretty damn sure you are going to die or be grievously hurt, don’t draw your gun.
I don’t like it, but that is how it is. If I pepper spray a cop, I get shot...The justification being 'I can't let them get near me, they might disarm me and kill me'.. If it's a valid excuse for them, it's a valid excuse for everyone else. Personally, I agree with that. But my opinion doesn’t count if you get arrested.
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danoh
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IF the police don't do anything, how does this shit end?
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surevaliance
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TechnoWeenie
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1. Salem 2. Very convenient they left out the parts where he was pepper sprayed numerous times, and had pepper spray pointed at him, as they busted his window, headlights, tail lights, etc.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:21 am |
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olydemon
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Here is a video from antifa of the guy who was arrested after pulling his gun was released... I assume this is after the Police were releasing him. https://twitter.com/i/status/1376360047752658945"If he was any other color he would have been shot....."
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:18 pm |
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vic_b
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Those asshole Antofagasta are just lucky he practiced a little restraint. That said, I disagree with him going down there with his truck dressed up like that. A liberal judge could say he went there looking for trouble.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:48 pm |
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Selador
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vic_b wrote: Those asshole Antofagasta are just lucky he practiced a little restraint. That said, I disagree with him going down there with his truck dressed up like that. A liberal judge could say he went there looking for trouble. Agreed. Although I will contend that he had every right to make his opinion known like that, as they had in making their opinion known with their own ongoing antics. I just would not have intentionally antagonized them like that, and NOT expect some backlash. Prepare to survive/minimize the backlash, or stay away. And he should never have gotten out of the truck. Last, if you are going to pull your gun, you better start shooting. It's the only way it is going to mean anything to future antifa goons. And you'd better figure you are not going to walk away from it.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:53 pm |
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vic_b
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What I’d like to see is a panel van all decked out in American flags with an old white guy behind the wheel and about 20 big dudes in the back with baseball bats. I’d love to be in the back!
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:56 pm |
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vic_b
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Who am I kidding? I’d pay good money to be one of them in the back with a bat and sap gloves.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:58 pm |
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surevaliance
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Panel van group buy?
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:00 pm |
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vic_b
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surevaliance wrote: Panel van group buy? I’m in.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:25 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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vic_b wrote: What I’d like to see is a panel van all decked out in American flags with an old white guy behind the wheel and about 20 big dudes in the back with baseball bats. I’d love to be in the back! Deuce and a half or 5 ton.... It'd be more epic...
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:47 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Oregon State Police released a statement.... Attachment: Exr9ddIXIAY2TFm.jpg
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Pablo
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TechnoWeenie wrote: Oregon State Police released a statement.... Attachment: Exr9ddIXIAY2TFm.jpg Well. Shit howdy. Arrest the perps. (TW Thanks for posting that!!)
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