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The corona Virus traveled entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai...

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The corona Virus traveled entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai...


And shit don't stink.

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It's not about the virus.

As always, it's about the control. And the power.

And GET TRUMP by doing everything possible in the medias power to trash the economy.

NY governor calls to keep everything locked down up to 9 months. November is how far away?

This seems simpler than folks are making out to be. If the virus has been here a year or more, and now that we're in panic mode to test everyone with more tests available, the numbers of positive cases is going to skyrocket. This plays perfectly in to the medias ORANGE MAN BAD, he's got to go. A media wet dream that could last for months trashing the economy. Every day the media is ramping this up more and with SIP they have a captive audience. Spread the FEAR, everything is Trumps fault.

With roughly a 1000 deaths nationwide, that's 22,000 short of a mild flu season. Brutal to say but those are the numbers.

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If you have ever seen the subways/stations it's easy to understand NY exposure

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31k tests huh.. not sure I buy that? How many of those have had results returned? I just have a hard time believing 31k test have been done and returned but only 3200 confirmed cases total? Hrmm we were the epicenter and initial hotspot, yet our growth numbers have been low while places like NY literally exploded overnight... Heck they have more cases than we have done testing, and I keep hearing how people are being denied testing here. With how we did nothing at all until now, and other places went full tilt on stay home but their numbers still skyrocketed, I just don't buy it. To me it makes no sense we have such low infection numbers given how long it has been here.


I believe it. I keep hearing that only one-in-ten tests come back positive. 3200 cases to 31000 tests is about that.

NYC has a population density several times that of Seattle. It's in the 10's of thousands per square mile compared to like 8,000. Manhatten is over 60,000 per square mile. Subways, busses, elevators, taxis, it's not even a close comparison. They're packed together like sardines. SOOOOO many more vectors for transmission. They could've started much later and still passed us.

Yes, people are being denied. We're testing for diagnosis, not for screening. Have to have a specific set of symptoms before they will offer a test. That will change as availability goes up.

Very true. I had not looked closely at the map since the big spike in number and more details breakdown of location. I thought the big outbreak had been more in NY state not the city. NYC and Border areas of Jersey are rowhouse/packed like sardines. Very similar in density and familial close living like Italy. Make sense with the dense Italian population in the area. At least it was when I lived there 25yrs ago.

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NY governor calls to keep everything locked down up to 9 months. November is how far away?

Just build a wall around it.

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Saw on the news yesterday that several NY leaders, including De Blasio, were encouraging people to congregate after Covid-19 was in the country and just weeks before the SHTF.

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AR15L wrote:
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The corona Virus traveled entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai...


Viruses don't recognize geography. If you read up on Italy, Lombardi has been hit hard. You don't hear much about Rome though. We've got virus here and were the first "hotspot" but NYC surpassed us to become the world leader in like 3 days. And if you drill down on New York, its really only in a couple of places right now.

Lot of reasons for that. Chinese took brutal measures. We took measures. The Italians weren't paying attention. New York City was having a party.

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Thought you folks might find this interesting. A video of why social distancing is so important

https://www.dmarge.com/2020/03/mythbusters-contamination-experiment.html


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World Affairs Brief, March 27, 2020 Commentary and Insights on a Troubled World.
Copyright Joel Skousen. Joel Skousen’s World Affairs Brief (http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com).

The two biggest complaints I have about media and government claims about Covid 19 is that:

1) The death rate is highly manipulated figure depending on how many infected people are included in the pool (which is almost impossible to know without guessing). The latest propaganda is that the US is the leader in number of Covid 19 cases, surpassing Italy and China. I don’t believe for a minute that that is true, give China’s suppression of the real numbers.

2) That everyone who dies that tests positive for Covid 19 is listed as a coronavirus death, despite other chronic illnesses present or at least a compromised immune system that is the prime cause of death.

Here is one excellent fact-based article that you can share with others who are under the spell of the Covid-19 fearmongers: Jack Kerwick on the Corona Hysteria.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/jac ... ia-part-i/

Even though it is not being given any coverage in the mainstream media, more experts are coming forth challenging the notion that Covid 19 is deadly to most. Zerohedge.com listed 12.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... d-19-panic


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World Affairs Brief, March 27, 2020 Commentary and Insights on a Troubled World.
Copyright Joel Skousen. Joel Skousen’s World Affairs Brief (http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com).

The two biggest complaints I have about media and government claims about Covid 19 is that:

1) The death rate is highly manipulated figure depending on how many infected people are included in the pool (which is almost impossible to know without guessing). The latest propaganda is that the US is the leader in number of Covid 19 cases, surpassing Italy and China. I don’t believe for a minute that that is true, give China’s suppression of the real numbers.

2) That everyone who dies that tests positive for Covid 19 is listed as a coronavirus death, despite other chronic illnesses present or at least a compromised immune system that is the prime cause of death.

Here is one excellent fact-based article that you can share with others who are under the spell of the Covid-19 fearmongers: Jack Kerwick on the Corona Hysteria.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/jac ... ia-part-i/

Even though it is not being given any coverage in the mainstream media, more experts are coming forth challenging the notion that Covid 19 is deadly to most. Zerohedge.com listed 12.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... d-19-panic


I think somebody else here said it before, but there is a cost in lives to a crashed economy. We will likely see an increase an infant mortality because healthcare facilities are adopting more stringent controls. Conditions that would be treatable will turn fatal when treatment becomes hard or impossible to come by.

Hell, my CPR patient earlier this week. If we hadn't had to take the time to thoroughly garb ourselves with Tyvek body suits and the like, would starting compressions minutes earlier have made a difference? Who knows? But minutes matter.

Regardless of whether or not this bug will be the end of us all, the consequences of the actions taken by the talking heads in DC and Olympia need to talked about.

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Injecting some rational analysis into the conversation:

https://troygrice.com/2020/03/27/mass-hysteria/

“Journalists” keep touting S. Korea as the model for handling the virus due to their very low fatality rate.

You want to know how they did it?

They created 500 testing locations and tested 250,000 people. Turns out, 3% of that somewhat random sample set was infected. In other words, they radically increased the “confirmed cases” number which caused the fatality rate to plummet. It also implied that the virus is already everywhere in South Korea."





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World Affairs Brief, March 27, 2020 Commentary and Insights on a Troubled World.
Copyright Joel Skousen. Joel Skousen’s World Affairs Brief (http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com).

The two biggest complaints I have about media and government claims about Covid 19 is that:

1) The death rate is highly manipulated figure depending on how many infected people are included in the pool (which is almost impossible to know without guessing). The latest propaganda is that the US is the leader in number of Covid 19 cases, surpassing Italy and China. I don’t believe for a minute that that is true, give China’s suppression of the real numbers.

2) That everyone who dies that tests positive for Covid 19 is listed as a coronavirus death, despite other chronic illnesses present or at least a compromised immune system that is the prime cause of death.

Here is one excellent fact-based article that you can share with others who are under the spell of the Covid-19 fearmongers: Jack Kerwick on the Corona Hysteria.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/jac ... ia-part-i/

Even though it is not being given any coverage in the mainstream media, more experts are coming forth challenging the notion that Covid 19 is deadly to most. Zerohedge.com listed 12.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... d-19-panic

Germany is using a very strict definition for Covid-19 being the cause of death. This is why their numbers are so low. As I recall, they only count those that didn't have other pre-existing health issues.

I'm also seeing people in the news here in the US being referred to as "died from coronavirus-related complications".

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I go back to the idea that countries are seeing the cost of testing, lack of tests, and lack of ability to test people who died at home. Plus you have some countries that are flat out saying they aren't testing, impoverished countries that can't afford testing, and some countries that are just saying their people are getting sick with other things. So the confirmed cases are going to be much much less than what is being reported. Which means death rates are also not accurate. I think in the modern world we are wanting exact numbers because we can accurately keep track of stuff like this, or should be able to, with our modern technology. However, there is still going to be a rather large margin of error and 'estimates' aren't going to be accurate. Depending on who is doing the estimating this could be down played numbers wise to make it seem like governments had it under control.


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People want answers, detailed answers, YESTERDAY!!!

They don't understand that this isn't how these estimates work. When the totals aren't available for the 2018-2019 influenza season, that should be a pretty good clue as to how long it takes to build this kind of data.

As it becomes easier to test the population for antibodies, the fatality percentages really have to go down. When you're only testing those with the worst symptoms, the numbers are statistically inflated.

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