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TNThomas
Location: Shoreline Joined: Thu Nov 3, 2022 Posts: 79
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Zap Zap!
-670cc/420cc engine mounting plate (1/4") tacked on. -Cutting scrap metal for spindle-to-tie rod lever. (1/2"). -Measuring from center of rear axle to each front spindle to find proper "Ackermann" angle for above steering component. -Making tie rods. Parts from McMaster-Carr.com -Rack and pinion to supply force to tie-rods from steering wheel.
On a side note, I get alot of my metals from "Online-Metals." Cool website and they have a wearhouse in North Seattle with a local pickup option. Saves huge shipping fees.
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Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:35 pm |
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NWGunner
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Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 12475
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Nice!
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Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:26 pm |
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Arisaka
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Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6214
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Keep the updates coming please!
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Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:29 pm |
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hartcreek
Location: Union Gap Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 Posts: 1722
Real Name: Randall Knapp
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With the CVT transmission you really need to think on your brakes because once you get out of the throttle engine braking is gone. It looks like you went with a live rear axle and to drive the second axle you could have simply added a chain drive. I do not know what world the one poster lives in but the sleds I have seen my neighbor has new sleds opposed to my old ones have a shjfter to go into reverse. Running an engine in reverse works fine for steam but for internal combustion in reverse the ignition would be way retarded plus pull starts and electric starter bendix drives only work one way.
There used to be a group of us on Yahoo Groups called Machine Builders. Last time I checked the archives were still there. Myself I like simple belt tensioners and a manual transmission but my tractors are not built for speed
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Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:18 am |
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Yondering
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Location: Skagit County, in the woods Joined: Tue Apr 7, 2015 Posts: 1058
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hartcreek wrote: With the CVT transmission you really need to think on your brakes because once you get out of the throttle engine braking is gone. It looks like you went with a live rear axle and to drive the second axle you could have simply added a chain drive. I do not know what world the one poster lives in but the sleds I have seen my neighbor has new sleds opposed to my old ones have a shjfter to go into reverse. Running an engine in reverse works fine for steam but for internal combustion in reverse the ignition would be way retarded plus pull starts and electric starter bendix drives only work one way.
There used to be a group of us on Yahoo Groups called Machine Builders. Last time I checked the archives were still there. Myself I like simple belt tensioners and a manual transmission but my tractors are not built for speed In older sleds at least, it was super common to have the motor just shut off and start in reverse to move backwards. They were two strokes of course. That's not theory about what you or anyone else thinks would work, it's how they were actually built, and it was very common for a lot of years.
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Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:26 am |
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laneends
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Location: Kent Joined: Mon Sep 9, 2013 Posts: 579
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Is still common. Look up Ski Doo R.E.R. My 2022 ski doo has this, as has every 2 stroke sled I've owned, which is quite a few.
So I guess I live in the real world
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Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:51 am |
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TNThomas
Location: Shoreline Joined: Thu Nov 3, 2022 Posts: 79
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Yea, I axed the double axle ides, too much going on, and I want this finished before summer. For braking Im planning on 1, maybe 2 disc breaks on the rear axle. Nothing up front. I should have the tie-rods done tonight, pics to come. Also, I built in way too steep of an angle for the front shocks, I have a third set on the was y to help beefen it up. Front end sags, but the rear is great.
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Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:44 pm |
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TNThomas
Location: Shoreline Joined: Thu Nov 3, 2022 Posts: 79
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As far as Reverse, ill eventually get that in, but is not a top priority. The ghetto way that I know of is to put a flywheel on the axle, rig up a starter, and when you flip the switch it just totates the axle backwards.
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Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:02 pm |
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hartcreek
Location: Union Gap Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 Posts: 1722
Real Name: Randall Knapp
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It is so easy to tell that you guys take your sleds to the shop instead of working on it yourself. If you actually worked on a sled you would understand the timing being retarded. It may limp backwards at best running in reverse and that will not work for his application. Here is that link for finding how to build something instead of doing things the hard way. http://machinebuildersnetwork.com
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Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:55 pm |
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laneends
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Location: Kent Joined: Mon Sep 9, 2013 Posts: 579
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I believe this is the wrong place to have this discussion... however, I DO work in my sleds, and as such i know that ski doo engines with the RER feature have 2 sets of ignition pick ups, one for forward, one for reverse. That said rpm is limited for safety by the ecu.
Obviously this would not work on a 4 stroke.
However all of this is moot because that's not the route the O.P. has chosen. I just don't appreciate being made to be the fool, when I am not.
If you would like to continue this discussion, start a new thread or P.M. me.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
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Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:29 pm |
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Yondering
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Location: Skagit County, in the woods Joined: Tue Apr 7, 2015 Posts: 1058
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laneends wrote: I believe this is the wrong place to have this discussion... however, I DO work in my sleds, and as such i know that ski doo engines with the RER feature have 2 sets of ignition pick ups, one for forward, one for reverse. That said rpm is limited for safety by the ecu.
Obviously this would not work on a 4 stroke.
However all of this is moot because that's not the route the O.P. has chosen. I just don't appreciate being made to be the fool, when I am not.
If you would like to continue this discussion, start a new thread or P.M. me.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program. Well said. And don't worry, the only one being made the fool is the guy wanting to argue about something that has existed for many years, without doing his research first. You can lead a horse to water...
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Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:16 pm |
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TNThomas
Location: Shoreline Joined: Thu Nov 3, 2022 Posts: 79
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Got the little levers welded on that attach to the spindle at one end, and bolt hole at the other (1/2") for the tie rod bolt. Guesets to come, and tie rods are ready, the parts just need to be welded together. I got sone sort of flu, so taking it easy for the night.
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Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:44 am |
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StatlerandWaldorf
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2011 Posts: 3836
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That looks really cool, keep the good work and hope you feel better soon.
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Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:12 am |
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TNThomas
Location: Shoreline Joined: Thu Nov 3, 2022 Posts: 79
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Thanks!
Got the tie rods welded up. Basically just DOM tube with a LH nut welded on one end, and a RH bolt welded on the other. Pretty happy with how it turned out. Easy to adjust, and I seem to have measured it good enough. I also welded on some support brackets from the spindle to the lever that the tie rod bolts to.
I got a third shock in for the front, there will be one on each side, mounted from the top of the upper A-arm. I made the two inner shocks too steep, they work, but dont support quite enough weight. Instead of re-doing it, I have a sturdy enough frame ill just put these on to help.
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Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:24 pm |
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Yondering
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Location: Skagit County, in the woods Joined: Tue Apr 7, 2015 Posts: 1058
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I'm concerned that steering knuckle arrangement is going to be too weak, and it also looks like some messed up steering geometry with that spindle sticking out so far.
I don't think your method of just welding that spindle to the knuckle is going to last. In fact I'd bet money that you'll lose a front wheel from a failure at that spot, sooner rather than later. It really needs a stronger arrangement than that, but also having it stick out that far just makes it even more prone to failure, and will be very prone to bump steer.
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Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:21 pm |
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