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3584ELK
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Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1255
Real Name: Mark
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Like other FFL's in WA, I got the following email from Kevin Baird (WSP) regarding the January 1, 2024 enactment of the waiting period requirements:
As many of you are aware, the Washington State Legislature passed Engrossed Second Substitute House Bill (E2SHB) 1143 and signed by the Governor on April 25, 2023. Although we are not currently conducting firearm background checks, we wanted to share information regarding this bill as it will affect firearm background checks beginning in January of 2024.
Attached is the final bill, however the highlights are as follows:
Beginning January 1, 2024:
· A firearm dealer MAY NOT transfer a firearm until the background check is completed.
o This means no longer will FFLs be able to transfer a firearm before they receive a ‘Proceed’ response
· All firearms will now have a 10 day waiting period, not just semiautomatic rifles.
· Requires firearm dealers to obtain proof that the transferee has completed a recognized firearms safety training program within the past five years.
o The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training.
o There are exemptions for law enforcement and certain military members.
My question to Kevin Baird from WSP:
Currently, the applicant's local law enforcement agency is the POC for background checks.
Will that change to your branch as of January 1, 2024 or will it remain centered on the applicant's local law enforcement agency?
What has everyone else heard (if anything)?
_________________"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson
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Mon May 01, 2023 8:05 am |
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dreadi
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Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8407
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Maybe if there enough lawsuits against the state, they monies will be drained and then the program or whatever for the system can't be funded.
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Tue May 02, 2023 8:40 am |
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3584ELK
Site Supporter / FFL Dealer
Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1255
Real Name: Mark
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Great thought, but don't these evil rats have immunity against tort?
_________________"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson
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Tue May 02, 2023 9:27 am |
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Caveman Jim
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Location: In my Cave near the Cloquallum Joined: Thu Sep 26, 2013 Posts: 7837
Real Name: Jim Sr.
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“ There are exemptions for law enforcement and certain military members.”
This right here is designed to restrict our 2A rights, they want total control of their serfs (tax cattle). Think you are a free man?
_________________"You are either with us...as Americans. Or, You are against us. There is no IN BETWEEN." ??? "We cannot negotiate with those who say, 'What's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable.'" JFK "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” -Ben Franklin MadPick wrote: I don't think you beat your children enough.
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Tue May 02, 2023 11:18 am |
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3584ELK
Site Supporter / FFL Dealer
Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1255
Real Name: Mark
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Caveman Jim wrote: “ There are exemptions for law enforcement and certain military members.”
This right here is designed to restrict our 2A rights, they want total control of their serfs (tax cattle). Think you are a free man? Not in this shit hole, no.
_________________"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson
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Wed May 03, 2023 8:25 am |
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3584ELK
Site Supporter / FFL Dealer
Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1255
Real Name: Mark
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Received an answer: "We are taking over all firearm background checks this year. We will migrate FFLs by county over the course of 3 to 4 months. We're required to have everyone onboard by January 2024, but are shooting (no pun intended) to be done before the holidays begin in November. We'll be 'one stop shop' for you...and you won't have to send in FTA forms any more either. More info is available here on our website: https://www.wsp.wa.gov/firearms-background-division/" So, for those who are aware of and follow such things- WA is going from a 'partial POC state' to a 'POC state', as defined by BATFE.
_________________"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson
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Wed May 03, 2023 8:27 am |
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4850
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Wa is a Portable Oxygen Concentrator state?
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Wed May 03, 2023 8:51 am |
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Arisaka
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Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6235
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Old Growth wrote: Wa is a Portable Oxygen Concentrator state? Nope, Piece Of Crap state, thanks to the goddamn democrats
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Wed May 03, 2023 12:03 pm |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38324
Real Name: Dan
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Point of Contact. Single point of failure…er.. contact.
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Wed May 03, 2023 12:03 pm |
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Diamondback
Location: Sodom & Gomorrah on Puget Sound Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2012 Posts: 1701
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Next question is, is this required for frames/receivers too or only complete irons? If the former, guess I better bite the bullet, hock a kidney and get those 1911 frames ordered from Fusion...
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What have YOU done to defend your gun rights against the idiots in DC and Olympia today?
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Thu May 04, 2023 7:58 am |
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Black Adder Arms
Site Supporter / FFL Dealer
Location: Snohomish, WA Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2018 Posts: 33
Real Name: Michael
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This will be for every firearm transaction . Frame/Rifle/Shotgun/SAR
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Wed May 10, 2023 2:09 pm |
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silvermane_1
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Location: South Park,WA Joined: Sun Jun 30, 2013 Posts: 485
Real Name: Ian
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I'm pretty sure these folks aren't entirely protected from Ex Parte Young 1908, leadcouncil might know more about it though.
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Fri Jun 16, 2023 5:56 pm |
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17841
Real Name: Chuck
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If I was an FFL in WA I would make the exempt special people wait just like the regular peons like me.
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Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:53 pm |
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Diamondback
Location: Sodom & Gomorrah on Puget Sound Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2012 Posts: 1701
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golddigger14s wrote: If I was an FFL in WA I would make the exempt special people wait just like the regular peons like me. Do you one better, I'd put them in their own SPECIAL line... at the back. Guys who don't try to play the Exemption Card and just ride it out like regular joes get to stay in regular, though.
_________________ Joe Biden is not now, nor will he EVER be, my President. Psalms 109:8 #F---JoeBiden - NRA & SAF LIFE MEMBER The NRA: Fighting Democrat Terrorists with Military-Style Assault Weapons Since 1871.
What have YOU done to defend your gun rights against the idiots in DC and Olympia today?
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Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:55 pm |
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dreadi
Site Supporter / FFL Dealer
Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8407
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golddigger14s wrote: If I was an FFL in WA I would make the exempt special people wait just like the regular peons like me. So you’d require everyone else to comply with the law, and you’d make your own rules for those who are exempt? BLACK HAMMER ARMS 07/02 NFA Dealer http://www.blackhammerarms.comhttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms
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