Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:40 pm
RocketScott wrote:Guns4Liberty wrote:Let's also look at another word in the definition:from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon
For example, if you are offering an AR-15 bolt carrier group for sale, just ask yourself, "Can this part be used in the assembly of an assault weapon?" And the answer is obviously "yes, it can".
That's a solid analysis and I think your logic is sound G4l. But the above quote is the crux
You added the word 'used' in your example, as in the part goes into or is added to something else. But I read the 'can be assembled' to mean that all the parts have to be there. The second phrase supports that view because they point out that it's not just the part that makes an assault weapon, the firearm that can be converted also has to be own or controled by the same person
Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:18 pm
[One definition of an assault weapon is a] conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person
[One definition of an assault weapon is a] semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
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(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;
Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:17 am
Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:24 am
rodell wrote:Poor Joe has a spare flash hider. Under the wording, that evil device could be applied to another firearm without any existing features, making the rifle an AW.
Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:48 am
Theoretically it is possible to make a firearm that is not an "aSsAuLt WeApOn" that is made salty by adding a suppressor/flash hider to it (ie, a Browning bar with a custom three-lug barrel), but presently no firearm exists that can be made illegal by adding a suppressor.MadPick wrote:rodell wrote:Poor Joe has a spare flash hider. Under the wording, that evil device could be applied to another firearm without any existing features, making the rifle an AW.
I don't think this example works, because a threaded barrel is an evil feature. So if you have a centerfire, semi-auto rifle with a threaded barrel, it's already an AW -- adding the flash hider won't change that.
Maybe that's what makes the suppressor good to go . . . the barrel is already threaded, so adding the suppressor doesn't change anything.
Granted, there are ways to attach suppressors and other devices without threading, so I guess in those scenarios the attachment of such devices might turn the gun into an AW.
Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:44 am
MadPick wrote:rodell wrote:Poor Joe has a spare flash hider. Under the wording, that evil device could be applied to another firearm without any existing features, making the rifle an AW.
I don't think this example works, because a threaded barrel is an evil feature. So if you have a centerfire, semi-auto rifle with a threaded barrel, it's already an AW -- adding the flash hider won't change that.
Maybe that's what makes the suppressor good to go . . . the barrel is already threaded, so adding the suppressor doesn't change anything.
Granted, there are ways to attach suppressors and other devices without threading, so I guess in those scenarios the attachment of such devices might turn the gun into an AW.
Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:45 am
Thu May 04, 2023 5:54 pm
Fri May 05, 2023 9:36 pm
MadPick wrote:...
To address the "parts" question further, after more thought and discussion with ours, here are some of my current conclusions:
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b. One of the other AW definitions is a part "from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon." To me, this means that you are taking an entire firearm, and by installing this part, it becomes an AW. I think there are some scenarios that you can run here that get pretty far into the "contrived" category, but realistically I've only come up with a few that make sense:
- Threaded barrels for semi-auto pistols that use detachable mags. Install a threaded barrel, and suddenly your Glock 19 is an assault weapon.
- A folding or telescoping stock intended for use on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun that normally has a fixed stock.
Fri May 05, 2023 10:04 pm
scrid2000 wrote:MadPick wrote:...
To address the "parts" question further, after more thought and discussion with ours, here are some of my current conclusions:
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b. One of the other AW definitions is a part "from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon." To me, this means that you are taking an entire firearm, and by installing this part, it becomes an AW. I think there are some scenarios that you can run here that get pretty far into the "contrived" category, but realistically I've only come up with a few that make sense:
- Threaded barrels for semi-auto pistols that use detachable mags. Install a threaded barrel, and suddenly your Glock 19 is an assault weapon.
- A folding or telescoping stock intended for use on a semi-auto centerfire rifle or semi-auto shotgun that normally has a fixed stock.
What about a threaded barrel for a bolt action glock pistol?
As to the stock, why would a folding/telescoping stock for a rifle that normally has a fixed stock make it an assault weapon?
(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:
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(iii) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which
2 an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be
3 converted into an assault weapon if those parts are in the possession
4 or under the control of the same person;
Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 pm
scrid2000 wrote:What about a threaded barrel for a bolt action glock pistol?
scrid2000 wrote:As to the stock, why would a folding/telescoping stock for a rifle that normally has a fixed stock make it an assault weapon?
Fri May 05, 2023 10:32 pm
Sat May 06, 2023 6:24 am
Glad you enjoyed the pistol articleMadPick wrote:scrid2000 wrote:What about a threaded barrel for a bolt action glock pistol?
Dang, I didn't consider that.scrid2000 wrote:As to the stock, why would a folding/telescoping stock for a rifle that normally has a fixed stock make it an assault weapon?
Not just any rifle, but a semi-auto centerfire rifle. A folding/telescoping stock is one of the "evil features."
Ruger PC Carbine 19101
Browning BAR
Benelli RI Big Game rifles
Winchester SXR, but not the threaded models.
CZ VZ 58 with a fixed magazine, with the caveat that I do not know whether the fixed magazine here is sufficiently permanent to qualify because the listing says it block can be swapped out.
Marlin Camp Carbine, which has been discontinued since the 1990s.
Remington 742, discontinued since the 1980s, and the 750, discontinued in the early 2000s.
Remington Model 44
Remington Model 8 and 81, discontinued since the 1930s and 1950s respectively.
RSC m1917, FN 1949, and likely other old WWI and WWII rifles that are less common than the Garand or M1 Carbine, but these are fairly rare, old, and valuable milsurp rifles; good luck finding one.
Sat May 06, 2023 6:51 am
Sat May 06, 2023 7:17 am
TechnoWeenie wrote:I notice they use 'silencer' as a banned pistol item... but I'm not seeing the definition of 'silencer' anywhere in the RCW....