ATF Changes it's Mind About Length w/Braces

[spaghetti monster]

All right ... time out.

I just went back and read the original ATF letter. Follow the link in the OP, and read the letter.

We’ve been using the conclusion that “the brace doesn’t count,” but I think that’s incorrect. What they’re saying is that if you have a FOLDING brace (or presumably telescoping?), then you need to measure the gun with the brace in the folded position.

That’s a very, very different scenario for many of us.

I agree here. The first paragraph says it all. "...you ask about the correct way to measure a firearm equipped with a 'stabalizing brace' AND a folding adapter"

From the letter:

Even if stationary however, only standard receiver extensions will be considered in overall length measurements. For example, accessories (extensions) that have superfluous material are not included in the overall length measurement because they are intended to circumvent the law and serve no purpose in the function of the firearm.

Ahh. I could only read the first page on my phone.

[dreadi]

Clicking links and reading posts on a website doesn’t make it true or verified.

Do you think that the letter from the U.S. Department of Justice is fake?

Have you heard of Prince Law?

All I asked was if anyone took the time to investigate the validity of the claim. It’s the internet and not an official government website.

[RocketScott]

Clicking links and reading posts on a website doesn’t make it true or verified.

Do you think that the letter from the U.S. Department of Justice is fake?

Have you heard of Prince Law?

All I asked was if anyone took the time to investigate the validity of the claim. It’s the internet and not an official government website.

It's an official government letter

Prince Law has been around for a while and is a well regarded

[CQBgopher]

It makes perfect sense why is the firearms community so up in arms (pun) about it?

[Guns4Liberty]

It makes perfect sense why is the firearms community so up in arms (pun) about it?

Because it was previously NOT the case, and there are thousands of people who have firearms that are now suddenly NFA items without tax stamps. In other words, they were following previous ATF guidance to stay within the law, and that has now been reversed, putting them in violation of the law. It's not that hard to understand why people would be pissed.

[RocketScott]

[CQBgopher]

It makes perfect sense why is the firearms community so up in arms (pun) about it?

Because it was previously NOT the case, and there are thousands of people who have firearms that are now suddenly NFA items without tax stamps. In other words, they were following previous ATF guidance to stay within the law, and that has now been reversed, putting them in violation of the law. It's not that hard to understand why people would be pissed.

Did they state it or was it something not stated previously in regards to the brace vs stock?

[RocketScott]

It makes perfect sense why is the firearms community so up in arms (pun) about it?

Because it was previously NOT the case, and there are thousands of people who have firearms that are now suddenly NFA items without tax stamps. In other words, they were following previous ATF guidance to stay within the law, and that has now been reversed, putting them in violation of the law. It's not that hard to understand why people would be pissed.

Did they state it or was it something not stated previously in regards to the brace vs stock?

Much like bump stocks, designs were submitted to the ATF for approval and got the thumps up

Now they are saying that those designs are AOWs and illegal without paying $200 for a stamp

So how does that work if you want to actually be legit? You bought a factory gun that was approved under the old rule but now you must register it as an AOW. Do you submit a form 1 and now you're the maker and have to get it engraved again? Do you turn it back in to an SOT and they do a form 4? after the original maker reclassifies it?

[CQBgopher]

It makes perfect sense why is the firearms community so up in arms (pun) about it?

Because it was previously NOT the case, and there are thousands of people who have firearms that are now suddenly NFA items without tax stamps. In other words, they were following previous ATF guidance to stay within the law, and that has now been reversed, putting them in violation of the law. It's not that hard to understand why people would be pissed.

Did they state it or was it something not stated previously in regards to the brace vs stock?

Much like bump stocks, designs were submitted to the ATF for approval and got the thumps up

Now they are saying that those designs are AOWs and illegal without paying $200 for a stamp

So how does that work if you want to actually be legit? You bought a factory gun that was approved under the old rule but now you must register it as an AOW. Do you submit a form 1 and now you're the maker and have to get it engraved again? Do you turn it back in to an SOT and they do a form 4? after the original maker reclassifies it?

I can’t locate the approval letter for a braced thing in the fully locked unfolded position being A-OK. If someone knows where to find that approval letter a link would be awesome.

[RocketScott]

It makes perfect sense why is the firearms community so up in arms (pun) about it?

Because it was previously NOT the case, and there are thousands of people who have firearms that are now suddenly NFA items without tax stamps. In other words, they were following previous ATF guidance to stay within the law, and that has now been reversed, putting them in violation of the law. It's not that hard to understand why people would be pissed.

Did they state it or was it something not stated previously in regards to the brace vs stock?

Much like bump stocks, designs were submitted to the ATF for approval and got the thumps up

Now they are saying that those designs are AOWs and illegal without paying $200 for a stamp

So how does that work if you want to actually be legit? You bought a factory gun that was approved under the old rule but now you must register it as an AOW. Do you submit a form 1 and now you're the maker and have to get it engraved again? Do you turn it back in to an SOT and they do a form 4? after the original maker reclassifies it?

I can’t locate the approval letter for a braced thing in the fully locked unfolded position being A-OK. If someone knows where to find that approval letter a link would be awesome.

Uhh, go read the letter again. Both pages

[RockHopper]

If you want to know what is legal....read the laws. No offense to anyone, but depending on "translation of law" by a LEA is a fools gambit as this flip-flop shows.

Lets face it...ANY law which infringes on firearms ownership of any kind is constitutionally null and void. Either do want you want, or play their stupid games, but dont bitch about it when you're riding the razors edge and the board shifts.

If you skirt the law, eventually your practices are going to fall on the wrong side of the line. The house ALWAYS wins eventually. If you don't like it.... maybe put more time into considering that it's time to clean and re-organize the damn house.