AK Files had people discussing the Robinson Arms in 2012. Too lazy to go back and find the thread.

Remember, they didn't have to be common, they just had to be commercially available.

From a historical standpoint, another Hitler or Pol Pot is a very rare and almost unlikely chance that depends on a lot of things going very wrong. The tendency of people to see lesser social upheavals as the path to Pol Pot or Hitler is what gets people rolling their eyes. Ever since the end of WWII people have been invoking "The next Hitler" to the point where it is a trope that gets cheapened with each and every use. That is why when it is invoked, the response is often derision. The bogeyman has lost his power due to overuse, misuse and misrepresentation.

And it gets to be the same with the reaction to anti 2A politicians. Few triage their statements and activity, few considers them on a threat level, and when things are considered from any other angle than "OMG HITLER AND FALLING SKIES AND DOOOOOM" they are pushed aside because they do not join the same paranoia tinged screaming of the majority.

Take SCOTUS for instance. Everyone is freaking out over who Hillary might nominate. That's nice. I'm far more interested in who the Senate will confirm or not confirm.

People are worried about "Heller being overturned". That's nice. I'm more interested in what will cause the Supreme Court to overrule itself, and under what circumstances it does so, even when faced with prior rulings a majority justices may not like or agree with. I find SCOTUS rarely goes there, and the way they operate doesn't lend itself well to "Overturning Heller" or the like. But that is an unpopular opinion and isn't even met with rational response.

It is exceedingly difficult to cut through the real and manufactured fear, the lack of critical analysis, the heavily biased presentations, and the cultural expectation to be in perpetual fear of losing 2A, and take a stab at examining things from a non terrified standpoint.

We want change, we want to fight back, there needs to be huge and constant legal pushback the same way gay marriage and abortion rights activists do. But we don't do that. We are second and third string wannabes compared to other successful movements that have been under regular legal attack. And part of it is, we as a culture are not always all that appealing to a broad swath of Americans.

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I understand this, but counter it with a possibility.
When the consequences of a series of small steps can lead to such a severe result, I truly believe that the excuse of boredom with an overused bogeyman is a feeble excuse to mock those who see that bogeyman in things that others just see as bureaucracy.

Roll your eyes, but humanity should forever be watching for the next Hitler, the next Pol Pot...
Not because they are common (although I believe that they are) but rather because human nature has shown many times that it is capable, even willing (and sometimes eager) to follow a rough character like the two aforementioned leaders into a hellish society.

I don't like to hear the concentration camp level of conspiracy talk... But I vote that we all keep the knowledge that this happened many times, even recently, as a front and center reminder of the frailties of both societal weaknesses and individual human nature.

It is important to keep it in mind, but the reducto ad Hitler talk that comes out over the slightest unpopular legislation, or any leader or politician who is unpopular with anybody.... the comparison has lost it's sting, and along with that, the credibility of those who invoke it also vanishes.

Too, there is a tendency to grossly simplify the situations that create a Hitler or Pol Pot, and also to quickly attempt to create connection to any negative event to the circumstances that create such things. We are reduced to shopworn hyperbole that means nothing when examined critically, and serves to push away people who do not think the same way.

I see your point sir.

I am reluctant to think poorly of people without getting to know them well enough to be sure. I've been very mistaken about people's faults and virtues often enough in my life ... The cries of "Hitlerish actions!" isn't nearly enough for me to write someone off.

Although I admit that I come to rash judgements while driving fairly often. I can't even count the number of people who I'd like to line up and kick them right in the crotch for their lack of driving skills/courtesy.
When my wife sees my ears turn red while driving she knows I have a special itch to use my steel toed boots...
After I cool down from an encounter with a jerk driver, I realize that I have probably annoyed a few people in my life with mistakes too.
The "OFF TOPIC" warning light on my keyboard is blinking. Oops

It is unfortunate that people always bring out Hitler references but it has been done on both sides of the spectrum (R and D). My issue is that Hillary as President would have power over more than just the 2A but that is enough to put me off. She has so much that is coming to light lately that would also put her down as one of the worst people I could imagine to be President.

I still feel the belief that her stance on guns will not be problem because she must go through Congress is wrong. Just look at what has been done with the agencies the President has control over. Justice can stonewall if an agency or person in an agency does something illegal. ATF can be used. IRS can be used to intimidate or take away tax exempt status, as we have seen with the IRS under Obama. There are many avenues besides the other two branches to limit your rights and the Obama administration has shown a few ways to do this.

Look no further than Fast and Furious to see what a corrupt Justice Department can do.

http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... -privilege

"The department of Justice told Congress that agents did not knowingly allow guns to walk into Mexico; nearly ten months later, DOJ admitted that this was not true."

Or look at what Justice can do in the current case of Anthony Wiener's emails and NYPD. The story was posted in another thread from Breitbart. Controlling Justice is a huge advantage, not to mention the massive bureaucracy under the Executive branch.

Hillary has also shown a psychopathic love for killing as she showed after they destroyed the country of Libya and said "We came, we saw, he died" and she laughed. the people of Libya are not laughing. Now Syria is on the radar and she is happy to oblige. The party that used to deplore wars seems to only deplore them when a Republican is running them. The peace prize winning Obama has killed many people and if you believe the stories about what he said, he truly is good at killing people. I'd rather not see a war with Russia, yet I see no diplomacy coming from Clinton. I did see a coup in Ukraine pushed by our officials when their government was moving to closer ties with Russia. I saw our President praise a terrorist organization as they took over Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood). I somehow see a lot of destruction surrounding these people and not a lot of diplomacy to calm things down.

Whether we believe a candidate can get through their odious plans or not, I feel it is best to steer clear of electing them based on what they say they want to do. She has proven to be a criminal even back to when they stole the White House furnishings. So much has come out in the past decade about the Clinton's corrupt foundation and their friends (who seem to have a predilection for sexual perversion) that I would not wish to rely on a corrupt Congress to be the last line of defense when it comes to my guns or any other rights. We also do not know what the makeup of the new Congress will be after the election. Since Rino's seem more than willing to back Clinton, I have little faith in them stopping her once she takes office.

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Why are there no Props on the WA ballots expanding 2A rights?
NRA, SAF, GOA fail.