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 GOA urges opposition to Senate bill 2135 
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Expands NICS flags for stuff like unpaid parking tickets and etc.

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Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:42 pm
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jukk0u wrote:
Expands NICS flags for stuff like unpaid parking tickets and etc.

We keep hearing that, but can you cite where the bill says this?

Fix NICS Act of 2017
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... cosponsors

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Call your Congress-cretins (again)

Yeah, it should be a regularly scheduled thing to do in this era. :cussing:


Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:46 pm
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PMB wrote:
jukk0u wrote:
Expands NICS flags for stuff like unpaid parking tickets and etc.

We keep hearing that, but can you cite where the bill says this?

Fix NICS Act of 2017
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... cosponsors

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Call your Congress-cretins (again)

Yeah, it should be a regularly scheduled thing to do in this era. :cussing:



It really stems from this (least from what ive read)

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“(C) identification of all individuals who have been convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year”;


Which sounds reasonable unless you interpret it as reporting any crime that COULD land jail time exceeding 1 year. So some people are reading it as you could commit a crime, get 60 days of community service but that same crime COULD have been punished by 1 year in jail so you get reported for it even though you spent no time in jail.


Least that's what ive seen thrown around on why its bad


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Which sounds reasonable unless you interpret it as reporting any crime that COULD land jail time exceeding 1 year. So some people are reading it as you could commit a crime, get 60 days of community service but that same crime COULD have been punished by 1 year in jail so you get reported for it even though you spent no time in jail.

Least that's what ive seen thrown around on why its bad


Sentence actually given or served doesn't matter. Felony conviction is a conviction, even if probation.
Unless it has been later vacated.

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I thought we had tentatively determined that this is by definition a felony conviction... Which is not new.

This expands the list? Is it something that we could lobby the legislative supporters to fix? Nationwide Reciprocity is a jewel, and this wording doesn't seem to expand the list of disqualified people, to my country boy's eyes.


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As far as I'm concerned, GOA is merely a fund raising organization and the more fear mongering information they spread the more they feel people will grab their checkbooks and send them a donation to help them fight the evil government.

Yes, NRA and SAF also raise funds but how many lawsuits has GOA funded? Or for that matter even kicked in some of the money collected.


As for unpaid parking tickets turning into a felony merely because someone is sentenced to more than a year in prison, about the only way is if the judge is fed up and sentences the offender to several sentences and orders them served consecutively.

It's not hard to access every State's list of felony crimes, being defined as a crime that COULD receive more than one year in Prison. Not a bunch of misdemeanor convictions that receive consecutive sentences. That's a circumstance that would probably draw all kinds of protests and appeals so take if for what it looks like. Fund raising fear tactics.

Don't try to read more into the proposed law than what is there.


BTW, how many people here are worried about getting caught up in any of the perceived traps. In all my years I have yet to see the inside of a courtroom for anything other than my first Divorce and the only penalty I know applies to a Divorce is financial. Like all your assets. :)

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Please be aware folks that there are TWO SEPARATE legislations floating around now.
  • One was passed by the house and I believe is still referred to as HR38 (which has HR4477 nested under it now).
  • Then there is the Senate created fix Nics (SR2135) which is written by Feinstien and her ilk.

Not sure it really matters what we do here in WA, I do not see any way in the world that we can sway Can't-well or Murray's decision on it, they will toe the party line regardless of what the constituency tell them.

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The largest concern regarding traffic violations and etc. is when bench warrants are issued. Then the original charge is bolstered by the FTA violation.

Get a traffic ticket in another state and either the infraction is sent to an old address or other reasons (including "I forgot") and the ticket is sent to court and the FTA issued.

This also goes back to Medicaid and SS recipients who have "guardians" and therefore are deemed unfit for gun ownership. Veterans who may have one time sought treatment for PTSD, sufferers of ADHD.

Here's GOA's version of it:
https://www.gunowners.org/alert12012017.htm

As for them being a fund raising organization: PAC's and lobbyists cost money. Nobody can go pull on congresspeople's ears for free, so we have to pay SOMEbody to do it for us. Pick your poison. I like GOA better than the NRA but I support both.

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jukk0u wrote:

That helped, thanks for the link.

I am up in the air. I want that nationwide reciprocity so bad... but not at the expense of more of our soldiers who suffered PTSD on our behalf, or good Americans who somehow missed paying parking tickets, etc.


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Other states may issue a bench warrant for parking tickets, they have their own laws.

In WA:
Not paying parking tickets = send you to collections for full amount of ticket plus admin fee, and tow/boot if they find it, varies by muni court.

Not appearing in court for traffic infraction, not paying for photo violations = Pay full amount of ticket plus $50 or so admin fee, DOL administrative license suspension, collections.

FTA or non compliance with court order for misdemeanor criminal traffic offense is a bench warrant.
(Reckless driving, DUI, driving while suspended 1,2, etc.)
A lot of people get this for simply not taking or paying for their court mandated alcohol classes after a DUI conviction.

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Other states may issue a bench warrant for parking tickets, they have their own laws.

In WA:
Not paying parking tickets = send you to collections for full amount of ticket plus admin fee, and tow/boot if they find it, varies by muni court.

Not appearing in court for traffic infraction, not paying for photo violations = Pay full amount of ticket plus $50 or so admin fee, DOL administrative license suspension, collections.

FTA or non compliance with court order for misdemeanor criminal traffic offense is a bench warrant.
(Reckless driving, DUI, driving while suspended 1,2, etc.)
A lot of people get this for simply not taking or paying for their court mandated alcohol classes after a DUI conviction.



But all of the above do not cause a felony to be put on your record. Now running from a cop trying to stop you because you know you have a warrant for FTA, Unpaid tickets, or other misdemeanor offenses you've failed to follow court ordered actions, that in itself is a felony and nothing leading up to it matters.

There's far to much "chicken little syndrome" floating around about what the bill(s) will do if passed that is not based in fact.

Like I've said before, the biggest danger in this bill is that if passed everyone will have to make sure they don't run afoul of local laws when carrying under your home state's permit. There will be a lot of research necessary before heading out on that trip to make sure you don't end up in jail and/or forfeiting your firearm in that other state. Best case scenario would be the same as with traffic laws. There's a national model traffic code and all states pretty much stick to the same script when it comes to traffic law. That's why we all drive on the same side of the street and have traffic lights mounted in pretty much the same positions. Whey Stop Signs and speed limit signs all look pretty much the same.

How about just "Constitutional Carry"? How many states now have it and how's it worked there?

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