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Matador
Location: Vancouver Joined: Mon Dec 8, 2014 Posts: 5
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Hi all,
I'm a dual citizen who lives in Vancouver, B.C. Canada.
I'm planning a recreational road trip across the US (From WA to Texas and back)
My mother who lives in WA is planning on gifting me a Glock 19, assuming it's locked up and unloaded could I legally travel with it? The laws on this subject aren't entirely clear to me so I thought i'd check before considering it.
I have a clean record, and have a US passport and BC drivers license.
Thanks all
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:54 am |
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cmica
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Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15234
Real Name: chris
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what cpl's do you have in the U.S.? are you traveling with it to texas?
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:06 am |
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Matador
Location: Vancouver Joined: Mon Dec 8, 2014 Posts: 5
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Hey there,
I do not have a CPL and the plan is to keep it locked up and unloaded to Texas and back to WA if legal. Possibly doing some range shooting or target shooting somewhere.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:10 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38309
Real Name: Dan
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If you are a dual citizen (and one of those is US), then you just need to follow those state laws pertaining to transporting a firearm. In WA State, with no CPL, it can't be loaded in a vehicle.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:36 am |
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edogg
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Location: Central FL Joined: Sun Apr 7, 2013 Posts: 3207
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And don't go to California.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:23 pm |
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Matador
Location: Vancouver Joined: Mon Dec 8, 2014 Posts: 5
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Cheers guys
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:32 pm |
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Blaze.45
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Location: Auburn/Kent/Renton Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 Posts: 766
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Keep in mind this is a public forum and the consequences on this sort of issue can be steep. You should do your own research, maybe start at USAcarry.org. Not sure what site is best for this.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:37 pm |
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Matador
Location: Vancouver Joined: Mon Dec 8, 2014 Posts: 5
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Blaze.45 wrote: Keep in mind this is a public forum and the consequences on this sort of issue can be steep. You should do your own research, maybe start at USAcarry.org. Not sure what site is best for this. Thanks Blaze, I'm planning on contacting a WA PD and asking as well just to double check.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:44 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52064
Real Name: Steve
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Matador wrote: Blaze.45 wrote: Keep in mind this is a public forum and the consequences on this sort of issue can be steep. You should do your own research, maybe start at USAcarry.org. Not sure what site is best for this. Thanks Blaze, I'm planning on contacting a WA PD and asking as well just to double check. I would encourage you not to contact a Washington police department with this question. They may or may not (and seriously may not) have a good grasp of Washington laws, but I wouldn't rely on them at all for anything unrelated to WA. I would start here, paying special attention to the FOPA part: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2014063 ... sportationI would determine if you can legally have the gun here in WA (it sounds like you can), and if you can legally have it in TX. If the answer is yes on both counts, then presumably you can get from here to there using FOPA.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:02 pm |
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oldkim
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Location: Maple Valley, WA Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 9271
Real Name: Young
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Do you own or hold property in any US state?
e.g. home, rental, property?
Besides being a US citizen with dual citizenship with Canada... Your touching on International, Federal and State Laws (for every state you'll be crossing).
1) Federal - since you'll need to go through a background check to transfer (gift) that firearm to you. They will ask about your state of record, city, county, etc
Just more layers to consider before the real mess of looking up each state.
Also: WA states issues Non Resident CPL (concealed pistol license)
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:53 pm |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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having a us passport doesn't mean you can receive a pistol. I am 110% you need a valid state ID to get a pistol since you have to prove residency. Only a Washington resident can receive a pistol in the state of Washington. the same as all other 50 states Definitely something you need to contact the ATF about. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations*If your mom living in Washington gives you a pistol and you are not a Washington resident with valid state id. it is a felony*
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:25 pm |
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Powderman
Location: WA State Joined: Fri Feb 8, 2013 Posts: 658
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MadPick wrote: Matador wrote: Blaze.45 wrote: Keep in mind this is a public forum and the consequences on this sort of issue can be steep. You should do your own research, maybe start at USAcarry.org. Not sure what site is best for this. Thanks Blaze, I'm planning on contacting a WA PD and asking as well just to double check. I would encourage you not to contact a Washington police department with this question. They may or may not (and seriously may not) have a good grasp of Washington laws, but I wouldn't rely on them at all for anything unrelated to WA. I would start here, paying special attention to the FOPA part: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2014063 ... sportationI would determine if you can legally have the gun here in WA (it sounds like you can), and if you can legally have it in TX. If the answer is yes on both counts, then presumably you can get from here to there using FOPA. Best advice on this thread. I consider myself more than adequately versed on WA State laws concerning the possession of firearms. If you were to present this question to me, I would not have a clue on how to do it.
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edogg
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Location: Central FL Joined: Sun Apr 7, 2013 Posts: 3207
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oldkim wrote: Do you own or hold property in any US state?
e.g. home, rental, property?
Besides being a US citizen with dual citizenship with Canada... Your touching on International, Federal and State Laws (for every state you'll be crossing).
1) Federal - since you'll need to go through a background check to transfer (gift) that firearm to you. They will ask about your state of record, city, county, etc
Just more layers to consider before the real mess of looking up each state.
Also: WA states issues Non Resident CPL (concealed pistol license) Why the background check for a gift from mother to child? That's exempted in 594. Is there a federal regulation for that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:07 am |
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mash man
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Location: Airway heights Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 Posts: 12246
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edogg wrote: oldkim wrote: Do you own or hold property in any US state?
e.g. home, rental, property?
Besides being a US citizen with dual citizenship with Canada... Your touching on International, Federal and State Laws (for every state you'll be crossing).
1) Federal - since you'll need to go through a background check to transfer (gift) that firearm to you. They will ask about your state of record, city, county, etc
Just more layers to consider before the real mess of looking up each state.
Also: WA states issues Non Resident CPL (concealed pistol license) Why the background check for a gift from mother to child? That's exempted in 594. Is there a federal regulation for that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk My thoughts exactly.
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:12 am |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52064
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edogg wrote: Why the background check for a gift from mother to child? That's exempted in 594. Is there a federal regulation for that? Agreed, 594 and Washington state aren't an issue. But at the federal level, you need a background check unless the transfer is between two residents of the same state. That background check needs to be run by an FFL In the buyer's state, for handguns. In this case, the OP lives in Vancouver BC and therefore (I assume) has no Washington residency status. Thus, he cannot get a handgun in Washington or, by the same logic, any other state. I'm not an expert in this stuff. Does anyone see a way for him to legally procure the gun?
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