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 Change the 24 caliber min in washington for big game hunting 
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Trying to get this law changed,need as many emails as I get.Scott bird
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Please email him and tell him u wanna use 223 for deer hunting and why,need as many as I can get before jan1,they make the new regs.Thank You for your support.


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Why are you trying to get it changed to allow .223?

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Probably not going to happen. WDFW doesn't want people shooting big mule deer with .22 hornet and most hunters don't care.

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Nope I dont wnat to see it happen. Too many hunters out ther already that may only shoot one box a year.


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I also have no interest in seeing this changed. It is irresponsible to allow people to hunt large game with .223. Not enough energy to take down a 200 pound mule deer. Maybe in the south where a white tail weighs 100 pounds. Besides it just gives us a reason to buy another gun.

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I'd like to see .223 have more available to shoot than just Cougars, but I don't know that deer is the right answer. Maybe just expand 223 to Cougars, Coyotes, boars (if we have any here)...things of that size.

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Even small blacktails are incredibly tough animals. Poor shot placement can lead to a long track, or lost/wounded animal, regardless of caliber. .223 was designed to kill or wound people, who know they are supposed to die when shot. Animals don't know that. I'm not saying you can't kill deer with a .223. With proper shot placement they'll die, graveyard dead, every time. But the "kill zone" for quick, humane kills is a lot smaller for .223 than more traditional, larger calibers.

I just think that legalizing .223 for deer would lead to a lot more wounded and wasted/non recovered deer. Nobody wants that, I hope.

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joao01 wrote:
I'd like to see .223 have more available to shoot than just Cougars, but I don't know that deer is the right answer. Maybe just expand 223 to Cougars, Coyotes, boars (if we have any here)...things of that size.


It is already legal for Yotes, as they are not a "big game animal" they may be hunted freely and pretty much year round (limitations on during some big game seasons) with no bag limit or tag required using any hunting license (large or small game). I am not sure how Boars fall in though as they are not a real problem or commonly hunted here in WA and are not mentioned in the regs that I have found.

I agree with most though I do not feel it should be added for deer. Back east it makes more sense as mentioned with the smaller deer and often more limited distances. Our regs are complex enough, last thing we need is ".223 usable on deer under x# or for shots under xxyrds" or that it is usable for west side only and not east, etc...

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For every clean easy shot in eastern WA on a little whitetail that some 69gr Barnes bullet could take without issue, there is the quartering 525 yard downhill crosswind into a draw shot on a 225 pound muley, or a "big buck I think but can't really tell cuz there's too much Weyco reprod in the way obscuring my vision from 38 feet..." on the wet side...

And we all know someone in our life who would try the latter two with a 55gr Tula soft point ....

And don't even get me started on the fools who would "not understand" the regs and go elk hunting with a .223, too..

A .243 Winchester has substantially more energy compared to a .223 Remington at similar bullet weight. A large amount. Like 2,100 vs 1,300 for 65-69gr IIRC.

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joao01 wrote:
I'd like to see .223 have more available to shoot than just Cougars, but I don't know that deer is the right answer. Maybe just expand 223 to Cougars, Coyotes, boars (if we have any here)...things of that size.


You can hunt coyotes with a .223. I do think that .223 with modern bullet over 60g is plenty too cleanly kill dear (if up to me I would make it .22 cal or larger and at least 65g bullet). In my experience deer are not particularly hard to kill. In those cases where an unethical shot is made at 525 yards downhill and quartering away it's unlikely the caliber will help that much if at all.

Just for reference, Oregon allows .223 for deer and their deer are very similar to ours.


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I just wanted to add Montana,oregon, and Idaho,all allow you to use it .so I guess there deer are smaller than Washington's,there is about 41 states that do allow the use of 223 and lots of YouTube from all kinds of states and ranges of 223 killing deer.we do allow it for cougar I guess nobody cares if they run off and die.people in washington will never know what this great deer caliber can do in till they allow it and they find out for themself


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I can kill a deer with a 22LR.

22LR should be deer legal.

Sounds like a great plan.

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dan360 wrote:
I can kill a deer with a 22LR.

22LR should be deer legal.

Sounds like a great plan.


Exactly. You can kill a deer with any caliber, but the laws have to be written for all the dumb asses out there that don't know what they're doing, but have a legal right to do it.

In Idaho, most of the people are rural in nature, and know how to shoot. It's also quite a different environment. Just because another state like Idaho allows it doesn't mean it's a good fit for Wa.

I live in the country, surrounded by deer and elk. All the fucktards from the city invade us during hunting season and wound and lose 2 animals for every one harvested as it is. We've found 2 dead cow elk this week with arrows in them, because it's archery season here now.

If you're going to allow .223 for deer, you might as well not have any caliber restrictions at all.

Just buy or borrow a legal, more appropriate caliber rifle for deer, and use your AR for coyotes and other shit that nobody cares if you wound and lose.

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badclam wrote:

I live in the country, surrounded by deer and elk. All the fucktards from the city invade us during hunting season and wound and lose 2 animals for every one harvested as it is. We've found 2 dead cow elk this week with arrows in them, because it's archery season here now.



Fucking archery. I don't think it should be legal for hunting unless you can demonstrate incredible aptitude. And then the fucking wannabes who think their primitive weapons (that every culture abandoned as soon as they could get firearms and keep them working) make them somehow more manly and back to nature can stop demanding special privileges to accommodate their willful handicap and ineffective tools.

Fucking inhumane savages. Might as well go back to scratching in the dirt with sticks to plant crops too.

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badclam wrote:
dan360 wrote:
I can kill a deer with a 22LR.

22LR should be deer legal.

Sounds like a great plan.


Exactly. You can kill a deer with any caliber, but the laws have to be written for all the dumb asses out there that don't know what they're doing, but have a legal right to do it.

In Idaho, most of the people are rural in nature, and know how to shoot. It's also quite a different environment. Just because another state like Idaho allows it doesn't mean it's a good fit for Wa.

I live in the country, surrounded by deer and elk. All the fucktards from the city invade us during hunting season and wound and lose 2 animals for every one harvested as it is. We've found 2 dead cow elk this week with arrows in them, because it's archery season here now.

If you're going to allow .223 for deer, you might as well not have any caliber restrictions at all.

Just buy or borrow a legal, more appropriate caliber rifle for deer, and use your AR for coyotes and other shit that nobody cares if you wound and lose.



Thank you.

I bow hunt too and that just pisses me off to no end. There really needs to be a proficiency test to get an archery tag. Good gravy I'm cussing now.

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