Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:46 pm
Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:02 pm
Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:56 pm
deadshot2 wrote:Dumb question but why aren't the Fed's doing this? Taxpayers are already paying their salaries and wages to enforce this part of Federal Law.
Something tells me about as much effort will be put into this by WSP as the Fed's have. Unless some funding goes with this bill, good luck.
Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:25 am
Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:43 am
ANZAC wrote:deadshot2 wrote:Dumb question but why aren't the Fed's doing this? Taxpayers are already paying their salaries and wages to enforce this part of Federal Law.
Something tells me about as much effort will be put into this by WSP as the Fed's have. Unless some funding goes with this bill, good luck.
OSP is doing it based on order from their Gov. No funding issues, it works.
2015 stats: 262,835 bg checks, 2135 denials/investigations, 41 OSP arrests, 116 citations, 745 referred to District Attorney, 463 referred to local jurisdictions
Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:47 am
sreyemj wrote:Seems like a good move, never understood why this wasn't happening.
Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:17 am
deadshot2 wrote:ANZAC wrote:deadshot2 wrote:Dumb question but why aren't the Fed's doing this? Taxpayers are already paying their salaries and wages to enforce this part of Federal Law.
Something tells me about as much effort will be put into this by WSP as the Fed's have. Unless some funding goes with this bill, good luck.
OSP is doing it based on order from their Gov. No funding issues, it works.
2015 stats: 262,835 bg checks, 2135 denials/investigations, 41 OSP arrests, 116 citations, 745 referred to District Attorney, 463 referred to local jurisdictions
How many charged, tried, convicted, with sentences/fines, etc??
Without a good number of these "violators" actually being punished (preferably to the full extent including fines/sentences) all the numbers you provided are merely "Political Feel Good Fluff".
Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:32 am
deadshot2 wrote:sreyemj wrote:Seems like a good move, never understood why this wasn't happening.
I agree. However since the Form 4473 is a Federal Form and providing false information on it is a Federal Crime, why aren't the Fed's doing their job.
Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:53 am
Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:42 am
mcyclonegt wrote:I would love to know how many slip through the cracks? That is the whole point of a known felon filling out the form isn't it?
Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:57 pm
Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:23 pm
mcyclonegt wrote:I would love to know how many slip through the cracks? That is the whole point of a known felon filling out the form isn't it?
Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:07 am
ANZAC wrote:mcyclonegt wrote:I would love to know how many slip through the cracks? That is the whole point of a known felon filling out the form isn't it?
What is your definition of slipping through the cracks?
Lied on form and got a proceed?
Denied and not investigated?
Lied, denied and not investigated?
Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:11 am
ANZAC wrote:mcyclonegt wrote:I would love to know how many slip through the cracks? That is the whole point of a known felon filling out the form isn't it?
What is your definition of slipping through the cracks?
Lied on form and got a proceed?
Denied and not investigated?
Lied, denied and not investigated?
Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:33 am
deadshot2 wrote:ANZAC wrote:mcyclonegt wrote:I would love to know how many slip through the cracks? That is the whole point of a known felon filling out the form isn't it?
What is your definition of slipping through the cracks?
Lied on form and got a proceed?
Denied and not investigated?
Lied, denied and not investigated?
All three are equally egregious.
Clearly all are an example of "slipping through the cracks.
First shows a fault in the data collection system.
Second the glaring lack of interest in Law Enforcement in enforcing the law regarding lying on the form.
Third is same as above but with and extra felony attached.
Courts need to step up their game and report convictions in a more timely manner This IS the age of technology. The Court Clerk should be able to enter convictions, restraining orders, and any other court action that would make one ineligible to own a firearm within minutes of the Judge slamming doen the gavel. FWIW, it took me .81 seconds to contact the NICS site. How much longer would it take to type in the data?
Look at what happened with the Marysville Pilchuck High School Shooting. The tribal court sat on it's information. Other "convictions" were entered throught the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office (no doubt when a clerk got around to it). End result? A prohibited person is allowed to purchase multiple firearms, one of which was used to shoot and kill fellow classmates. The resulting backlash put more pressure on lawfull gun owners and gave steam to the anti-gun railroad.