If they can't keep up, perhaps the default should simply be that you can carry as soon as your papers are lodged. Or you know, constitutional carry. Either way, they seem completely unconcerned with denying people their rights due to their incompetence.

Eventually someone is going to die due to these delays.

I was wrong about one thing. The volunteers process the fingerprints. They don't do the background portion.

Unfortunately yes. It's a fucked up system. Law abiding people wait for a permit to do what criminals do every day. I never understood why the state is more concerned about an average Joe wanting to pack heat to protect himself and his family when they could spend those same resources worrying more about the shitbags robbing, raping, and pillaging in our society. Contitutional carry would eliminate the bullshit. Anything that the state says it is worried about with regard to CC is already covered by existing law without a CC permitting process/system.



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In 2008 when Bush was on his way out, Florida was backed up 3 months on issuing Concealed Weapons Permits. That was semi-painful wait. That was preceded by having to wait to take a class, and the costs associated with that, finger prints, photos, and notary. My opinion is that this is just part of the normal election cycle rush and that we have it very good here in Washington. I don't want to see the time frame remain extended in the long term as none of you do.

When demand for a product spikes, ramping up production isn't always a long-term solution. We expect for the state and LE to be good stewards and in no case reported here has anyone been denied their rights, just delayed. In the meantime you can open carry.

If you are someone who commutes by bus, the lack of a CPL effectively reduces you to no carry for part of your trip, since you need a CPL to carry a loaded handgun in a vehicle. Unlicensed open carry is great but WA's regs make it inherently less safe -- not only are you unarmed, you must also manipulate your firearm on multiple occasions to follow the in-a-car/out-of-a-car part of the law. Oregon at least has opted for common sense when it comes to unlicensed open carry in a car, rather than allowing nothing more than lazy policing to write that part of its rules.

I'm not suggesting any LE agency is purposely delaying the issuance of CPLs. I don't think that and I'm certainly not saying that. I do think, though, that expecting CPLs to be issued within the time set out in the law is a fair and legitimate perspective. I would support a rule change that says any person who has applied for their CPL and received no response within 30 days can begin carrying concealed and be protected under the law as if they had received their CPL. This doesn't put any additional pressure on agencies that are already running behind and doing their best, and it still ensures people who have applied for their CPL in good faith don't suffer from a delay of their rights.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that CPLs are ridiculous. Has the lack of a piece of paper EVER stopped a prohibited person from stuffing a gun in their waistband?

To my surprise Seattle PD are fast, friendly and efficient when it comes to CPL. PD HQ are now even laminating them for you when they didn't use to. Mine is up for renewal soon and I was told by a woman behind the counter that when I come in to renee it will take five minutes and I will leave with my new permit. Kinda surprised that they don't slow walk it.


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Agreed. This would be similar to what we have today for background checks when purchasing a firearm; if the check isn't completed within a certain time frame, then the sale is allowed to proceed.

There needs to be something in place to encourage the LE agencies to get this done on time. You would think that a "law" would be sufficient motivation for "law enforcement," but apparently it's not.

King county intentionally delayed my wife's by 60 days even though the law says 30 day maximum.

After 30 days I called them to ask why, they told me because she is not a citizen. I got off the phone, went through the law with a fine tooth comb and determined they were acting outside of the law. I called back and pointed out there was nowhere in the law that said she had to be delayed 60 days. There was however a 60 day wait for people who are required to get an alien firearms licence, and since she is a 'Lawful Permanent Resident' that does not apply to her. I insisted they cite the law that gives her a 60 day wait, they said they couldn't find it at that moment but they knew it was there. I responded with a "maybe you can't find it because it doesn't exist?"

The lady I was talking to was getting short with me so I decided to let it go and just wait the additional 30 day. I was afraid if I pushed too hard they might try retaliate in some way, such as delaying it even more. Since there is nobody to stop them from delaying it an additional 30 days, I imagine they could get away with delaying it a lot longer than that.

I believe they may have been acting in ignorance, typical Americans not knowing there is more than one kind of alien status. It's also possible the Sheriff Office's procedures had fallen behind the law as the law was recently changed to exempt Permanent Residents from that 60 day clause. But they refused to listen to me, and I bet they are still forcing a 60 day wait on Permanent Residents, and I'd like to file a complaint about this so it doesn't happen to anyone else.

Who should I report this to?

Send it to the Attorney General, it's his job to clear up shit like this and I'm sure he'll be all over it.

BAHAHA AG Ferguson he needs to be fired


I would get ahold of Pam Roach

I got traction after I cc'd the sheriff. You should try get in contact with your sheriff. It's what worked for me (I got them to issue my CPL) and now my wife when she applied they confirmed that here time would be 30 days.

Pam Roach retired from the Legislature on January 3rd. I heard she works for Pierce County Council now.

I spit on my screen

Sad to report that my wife nor I have yet to receive our CPL. We applied back in mid-Nov! If you recall my earlier post that Issaquah PD won't issue until they complete their background checks, no matter what the law says. I was told I'd have to sue them before they'd issue it.

I agree with a previous poster, constitutional carry solves many issues and can help LE direct more of their resources actually getting criminals.

Wow my CPL renewal in Redmond came back in 3 weeks


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