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 BATFE: Wipes are now Silencer Parts?!? 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:26 pm
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And where is Trump on this?

...I'll wait.


Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:32 pm
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and the ATF just confirmed, yet again, that they have no clue what they are doing and it is really the random ass guy reviewing paperwork making choices for a while department.

Seriously of everything my tax dollars went to some guy to decide this :(


Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:55 pm
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Looks like a part of the suppressor.

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It won't be long before DA make a muzzle device of some sort that uses wipes so they can sell them separately.

Either that, or they they just supply the part # for McMaster Carr and the end user can get them themselves.

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I am confused...
Does the "ruling" or new interpretation mean that the owner of said suppressor is not allowed to unscrew the cap of his own suppressor and install his own piece of neoprene or rubber?


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PMB wrote:
I am confused...
Does the "ruling" or new interpretation mean that the owner of said suppressor is not allowed to unscrew the cap of his own suppressor and install his own piece of neoprene or rubber?

Regardless of "intent" to work on your own stuff...
PROVE IT!

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PMB wrote:
I am confused...
Does the "ruling" or new interpretation mean that the owner of said suppressor is not allowed to unscrew the cap of his own suppressor and install his own piece of neoprene or rubber?



No ruling is to prohibit DA from selling the wipes individually.


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PMB wrote:
I am confused...
Does the "ruling" or new interpretation mean that the owner of said suppressor is not allowed to unscrew the cap of his own suppressor and install his own piece of neoprene or rubber?


They're treating it like a baffle.


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I just can't win. I wanted the Rugged Obsidian, but no, get the Dead Air, you will be very happy. I give up. :facepalm2:

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I may be showing my age, But there is a way around this. back in the late 80's wipes were standard on suppressors. I don't remember the company/but you would by a suppressor and a registered tube full of wipes, and when they were used up you would fill the tube up and do a form 5 and send back for repair and is a short time the tube would show up at your door step with new wipes. D A should be able to supply wipes, but you might have pay for a new registered tube to ship back and forth. or DA could pay for the tube, for good customer service. may be?


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I may be showing my age, But there is a way around this. back in the late 80's wipes were standard on suppressors. I don't remember the company/but you would by a suppressor and a registered tube full of wipes, and when they were used up you would fill the tube up and do a form 5 and send back for repair and is a short time the tube would show up at your door step with new wipes. D A should be able to supply wipes, but you might have pay for a new registered tube to ship back and forth. or DA could pay for the tube, for good customer service. may be?


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That is the second most confusing thing I have read on this forum to date. There is only one wipe on the Dead Air Ghost 45M. So, going by your statement, after I shoot out the one wipe on the suppressor, I should return it back to the factory to have it replaced, then mailed back to me? How long do you think that would reasonably take? I am definitely confused about what you said concerning doing a form 5 each time as well?
The wipe has a round count life so potentially I would have to mail it back after each range session?

How about this instead; I go by a local SOT, per the ATF letter and have them slap a new wipe on it?
Then, how much would that charge be?

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have tube full of wipes say 30 wipes so you do not have go to have sot replace one at time. when you used all of them, have your sot replace then. then be on your way. and I said back in the 80's that was what they did.


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Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:41 pm
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the form5 is used for repair or replacement of parts. That is what the ATF required.


Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:46 pm
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not ever one can drive to a sot and have it done. that is why you have the second tube with 30 wipes in it.

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