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Mediumrarechicken
Location: Puyallup Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 Posts: 9065
Real Name: Richard Fitzwelliner
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Sooooo when it goes into effect all it adds is fingerprints, passport pix and you have to send a letter to your cleo letting them know what you have? You don't need to go ask permission from your cleon right? Is it true that you don't need to go through all that if you have done an NFA item in the last 2 years? And after hat 2 years passes then you have to do the extra work. I know that in July Efile is going away.
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Fri May 27, 2016 8:55 am |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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Mediumrarechicken wrote: Sooooo when it goes into effect all it adds is fingerprints, passport pix and you have to send a letter to your cleo letting them know what you have? You don't need to go ask permission from your cleon right? Is it true that you don't need to go through all that if you have done an NFA item in the last 2 years? And after hat 2 years passes then you have to do the extra work. I know that in July Efile is going away. Correct. Also, anyone who is a trustee of your trust will have to be printed/photographed.
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Fri May 27, 2016 9:31 am |
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Mediumrarechicken
Location: Puyallup Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 Posts: 9065
Real Name: Richard Fitzwelliner
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Benja455 wrote: Mediumrarechicken wrote: Sooooo when it goes into effect all it adds is fingerprints, passport pix and you have to send a letter to your cleo letting them know what you have? You don't need to go ask permission from your cleon right? Is it true that you don't need to go through all that if you have done an NFA item in the last 2 years? And after hat 2 years passes then you have to do the extra work. I know that in July Efile is going away. Correct. Also, anyone who is a trustee of your trust will have to be printed/photographed. So it's really not THAT big of a deal. I was sitting here thinking I had to sell my m92 because I want a scorpion more and that 41p was going to put a serious damper on my party.
_________________ If she sits on your face and you can still hear, SHE'S NOT FAT.
I'm going to type out 3 paragraphs and wax eloquently about a similar story in my life. Pm me if you figured it out.
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Fri May 27, 2016 9:38 am |
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velillen
Location: Wyoming Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2012 Posts: 981
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Mediumrarechicken wrote: Benja455 wrote: Mediumrarechicken wrote: Sooooo when it goes into effect all it adds is fingerprints, passport pix and you have to send a letter to your cleo letting them know what you have? You don't need to go ask permission from your cleon right? Is it true that you don't need to go through all that if you have done an NFA item in the last 2 years? And after hat 2 years passes then you have to do the extra work. I know that in July Efile is going away. Correct. Also, anyone who is a trustee of your trust will have to be printed/photographed. So it's really not THAT big of a deal. I was sitting here thinking I had to sell my m92 because I want a scorpion more and that 41p was going to put a serious damper on my party. Its more of a hassle than anything. People with 4 or 5 people on their trusts (think wife, kids, brother-in-law, ect) have a harder time with it. Instead of just filling it out for yourself you have to get them all to go get fingerprinted and photos. SO not really hard, just a matter of getting your trustees to do things :)
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Fri May 27, 2016 10:25 am |
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Bxc53
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Location: Lynden Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 Posts: 725
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OK this is good perspective. Not that 41p is good, but it doesn't seem to be a show stopper. Still do-able for an average boring good guy. Like me....
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Fri May 27, 2016 10:51 am |
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Mediumrarechicken
Location: Puyallup Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 Posts: 9065
Real Name: Richard Fitzwelliner
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Currently I'm the only one named on my trust, I was dumb and only did the cheapest one on waguntrusts.com
_________________ If she sits on your face and you can still hear, SHE'S NOT FAT.
I'm going to type out 3 paragraphs and wax eloquently about a similar story in my life. Pm me if you figured it out.
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Fri May 27, 2016 10:59 am |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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The other issue is who inherits your NFA items and that might be murky without a trust.
Also, I don't like telling my CLEO (SPD) what I just bought...it's better than having to beg for permission but it's still distasteful and violates my privacy.
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Fri May 27, 2016 11:32 am |
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lamrith
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Location: Tacoma/Puyallup Joined: Tue May 8, 2012 Posts: 4340
Real Name: Larry
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Mediumrarechicken wrote: Benja455 wrote: Mediumrarechicken wrote: Sooooo when it goes into effect all it adds is fingerprints, passport pix and you have to send a letter to your cleo letting them know what you have? You don't need to go ask permission from your cleon right? Is it true that you don't need to go through all that if you have done an NFA item in the last 2 years? And after hat 2 years passes then you have to do the extra work. I know that in July Efile is going away. Correct. Also, anyone who is a trustee of your trust will have to be printed/photographed. So it's really not THAT big of a deal. I was sitting here thinking I had to sell my m92 because I want a scorpion more and that 41p was going to put a serious damper on my party. More of just a hassle and costs more $ having to provide prints and photo each time for everyone on the trust. That is what makes Silencer Shop's new program so nice, they keep everything on file. One thing we here in WA do not realize. This is a net IMPROVEMENT for a great many people in other states. Many places require CLEO sign off right now regardless and if I have heard correctly this changes that to notification, not approval? That means place that previously could not have NFA because of a CLEO that was anti gun/NFA no may apply. I have a feeling from June9 on the wait times are going to spike a good bit. 1st all of us here in WA rushing in from June 9-July 13, then after July 13 the parts of the country that have been previously blackballed by CLEO
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guncruiser
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Location: Seattle, Bellevue, Kirkland, Everett, Lynnwood at various times Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2014 Posts: 1668
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Benja455 wrote: The other issue is who inherits your NFA items and that might be murky without a trust.
Also, I don't like telling my CLEO (SPD) what I just bought...it's better than having to beg for permission but it's still distasteful and violates my privacy. Besides depending on where you get your prints done, they will ask you all sorts of questions about why you are doing it, etc. Photos and prints is a bit too invasive. We do not need yet another government file with photos and prints.
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Fri May 27, 2016 3:06 pm |
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Mediumrarechicken
Location: Puyallup Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 Posts: 9065
Real Name: Richard Fitzwelliner
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guncruiser wrote: Benja455 wrote: The other issue is who inherits your NFA items and that might be murky without a trust.
Also, I don't like telling my CLEO (SPD) what I just bought...it's better than having to beg for permission but it's still distasteful and violates my privacy. Besides depending on where you get your prints done, they will ask you all sorts of questions about why you are doing it, etc. Photos and prints is a bit too invasive. We do not need yet another government file with photos and prints. All you need to say is I need them done. I'm not worried about prints or photos, I had to give them up for a security clearance, hell it's not like they don't know where I live anyways.
_________________ If she sits on your face and you can still hear, SHE'S NOT FAT.
I'm going to type out 3 paragraphs and wax eloquently about a similar story in my life. Pm me if you figured it out.
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Fri May 27, 2016 3:13 pm |
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guncruiser
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Location: Seattle, Bellevue, Kirkland, Everett, Lynnwood at various times Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2014 Posts: 1668
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Mediumrarechicken wrote: All you need to say is I need them done. I'm not worried about prints or photos, I had to give them up for a security clearance, hell it's not like they don't know where I live anyways. Yeah, same here, but clearance and the NFA are different beasts. I have a little bit more faith in some agencies and how that information will be used than others. The ATF is at the bottom of that list.
_________________Life Member, Second Amendment FoundationBenefactor, NRA
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Fri May 27, 2016 4:59 pm |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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lamrith wrote: Mediumrarechicken wrote: Benja455 wrote: Mediumrarechicken wrote: Sooooo when it goes into effect all it adds is fingerprints, passport pix and you have to send a letter to your cleo letting them know what you have? You don't need to go ask permission from your cleon right? Is it true that you don't need to go through all that if you have done an NFA item in the last 2 years? And after hat 2 years passes then you have to do the extra work. I know that in July Efile is going away. Correct. Also, anyone who is a trustee of your trust will have to be printed/photographed. So it's really not THAT big of a deal. I was sitting here thinking I had to sell my m92 because I want a scorpion more and that 41p was going to put a serious damper on my party. More of just a hassle and costs more $ having to provide prints and photo each time for everyone on the trust. THat is what makes Silencerco's new program so nice, they keep everythign on file. One thing we here in WA do not realize. This is a net IMPROVEMENT for a great many people in other states. Many places require CLEO sign off right now regardless and if I have heard correctly this changes that to notification, not approval? That menas place that previously could not have NFA because of a CLEO that was anti gun/NFA no may apply. I have a feeling from June9 on the wait times are going to spike a good bit. 1st all of us here in WA rushign in from June 9-July 13, then after July 13 the parts of the country that have been previously blackballed by CLEO SilencerShop not SilencerCo - big difference. guncruiser wrote: Mediumrarechicken wrote: All you need to say is I need them done. I'm not worried about prints or photos, I had to give them up for a security clearance, hell it's not like they don't know where I live anyways. Yeah, same here, but clearance and the NFA are different beasts. I have a little bit more faith in some agencies and how that information will be used than others. The ATF is at the bottom of that list. SPD is at the very bottom of my list...even below the ATF.
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Fri May 27, 2016 5:06 pm |
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RocketScott
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Location: Kentucky Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 Posts: 11088
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Do successor trustees need to be fingerprinted to? I have my parents listed as successor trustees in case something happens to me... I mean if something worse happens to me.
_________________ You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for
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Fri May 27, 2016 5:13 pm |
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guncruiser
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Location: Seattle, Bellevue, Kirkland, Everett, Lynnwood at various times Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2014 Posts: 1668
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RocketScott wrote: Do successor trustees need to be fingerprinted to? I have my parents listed as successor trustees in case something happens to me... I mean if something worse happens to me. Are they beneficiaries or trustees? Check the language in your trust documents. Trustees are typically people who are granted rights to the listed items by the Settlor of the estate (you). Sounds like your parents are beneficiaries? If they are trustees then yes, they will have to go through the same process.
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Fri May 27, 2016 7:06 pm |
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RocketScott
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Location: Kentucky Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 Posts: 11088
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guncruiser wrote: RocketScott wrote: Do successor trustees need to be fingerprinted to? I have my parents listed as successor trustees in case something happens to me... I mean if something worse happens to me. Are they beneficiaries or trustees? Check the language in your trust documents. Trustees are typically people who are granted rights to the listed items by the Settlor of the estate (you). Sounds like your parents are beneficiaries? If they are trustees then yes, they will have to go through the same process. They are successor trustees. If something happens to me then they become trustees, not before. They have no rights till I'm gone.
_________________ You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for
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