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Final ATF-41P Rule: It's Here
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JMF
Location: Olympia Joined: Mon Mar 24, 2014 Posts: 93
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What is the estimation on the date when the official ruleing will be published in the Federal Registry?
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Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:54 pm |
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cmica
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Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15234
Real Name: chris
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JMF wrote: What is the estimation on the date when the official ruleing will be published in the Federal Registry? how dare you speak such blasphemy,do not comply!!!
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Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:45 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38309
Real Name: Dan
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cmica wrote: JMF wrote: What is the estimation on the date when the official ruleing will be published in the Federal Registry? how dare you speak such blasphemy,do not comply!!! When does your CPL expire?
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Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:30 am |
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JMF
Location: Olympia Joined: Mon Mar 24, 2014 Posts: 93
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Wa cpl about three years from now will expire
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Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:06 am |
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heavychevy1
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Location: Lacey, WA Joined: Sun Aug 7, 2011 Posts: 419
Real Name: Shawn
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seeing as everything will be grandfathered, in your opinion, could my trust have a provision to divide my stuff evenly between current and potential future children? Or do trusts not work that way..?
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Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:02 am |
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nessnet
Location: Eastside of Lake WA Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2012 Posts: 32
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heavychevy1 wrote: seeing as everything will be grandfathered, in your opinion, could my trust have a provision to divide my stuff evenly between current and potential future children? Or do trusts not work that way..?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think a lawyer could word a trust to do most anything you want. I would suggest one that actually is familiar with NFA trusts, to avoid rejection by the ATF. Many of us did our trusts ourselves, avoiding the expense of a lawyer...
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Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:16 am |
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usrifle
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Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20771
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MadPick wrote: kf7mjf wrote: MadPick wrote: Rutilate wrote: Too bad I don't have money to buy a full auto right now. Or the right address.... Or access to an FA that was in WA prior to 1994... Fair enough. Still couldn't be transferred to another individual in this state after the ruling in regards to January 1st 1994. Grandfathered in doesn't allow transfer instate to another individual as far as my understanding.
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52064
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Update: http://blog.princelaw.com/2016/01/15/pu ... inal-rule/Bottom line: - Was published in the Federal Register on January 15, 2016 - Takes effect 180 days later, or July 13, 2016 - Was renamed to ATF-41 F when it was published.
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:52 am |
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Guns4Liberty
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Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8564
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Thanks for that info. So, the clock is ticking...if you're planning on getting in any NFA purchases with your trust before the new rule takes effect, you better get on it. As awareness of this continues to grow, so will the rush on applications. There was quite a backlog at ATF a couple years ago that led to year-long wait times before approval...I foresee the same thing happening again.
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:02 am |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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Guns4Liberty wrote: Thanks for that info. So, the clock is ticking...if you're planning on getting in any NFA purchases with your trust before the new rule takes effect, you better get on it. As awareness of this continues to grow, so will the rush on applications. There was quite a backlog at ATF a couple years ago that led to year-long wait times before approval...I foresee the same thing happening again. + 1 Check NFATRACKER.com - the wait is already spiking. It was about 90 days over the summer - now it's up to 150 days and shows no sign of slowing down.
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:30 pm |
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dogfish
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Location: McCleary Joined: Fri Mar 7, 2014 Posts: 2003
Real Name: Andy
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Is that form 1, paper, e-file?
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:41 pm |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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dogfish wrote: Is that form 1, paper, e-file? I have only been checking paper Form 4 via a trust because that's all that I have in the pipeline (SBR x 3, suppressor x 3). But that website will show you the trends for all of them. I am currently at: SBR x 2 = 150 days Suppressor x 1 = 136 days SBR x 1 = 115 days Suppressor x 2 = 10 days I suspect those last two suppressors will take 200 - 250 days, if I'm lucky. EDIT: Here's the long term tracking of the NFA trends (Form 4 via trust): Here is just the last two years of data (Form 4 via trust):
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:19 pm |
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nessnet
Location: Eastside of Lake WA Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2012 Posts: 32
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Benja455 wrote: dogfish wrote: Is that form 1, paper, e-file? I have only been checking paper Form 4 via a trust because that's all that I have in the pipeline (SBR x 3, suppressor x 3). But that website will show you the trends for all of them. I am currently at: SBR x 2 = 150 days Suppressor x 1 = 136 days SBR x 1 = 115 days Suppressor x 2 = 10 days I suspect those last two suppressors will take 200 - 250 days, if I'm lucky. Ben is onto something..... Post 'em up to compare notes? SBR - 67 days Damn..... I (was) hoping for 4 months wait.... Now looking like summer / end of summer
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:25 pm |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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nessnet wrote: Benja455 wrote: dogfish wrote: Is that form 1, paper, e-file? I have only been checking paper Form 4 via a trust because that's all that I have in the pipeline (SBR x 3, suppressor x 3). But that website will show you the trends for all of them. I am currently at: SBR x 2 = 150 days Suppressor x 1 = 136 days SBR x 1 = 115 days Suppressor x 2 = 10 days I suspect those last two suppressors will take 200 - 250 days, if I'm lucky. Ben is onto something..... Post 'em up to compare notes? SBR - 67 days NFATracker.com will also predict when you *should* get your tax stamp...so for example, for my first two SBRs (150 days): Quote: Based on the last 6 months of data in NFATracker 87.96% of people have received their stamp by now. Probability you will receive your stamp by the end of that month:
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:28 pm |
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Benja455
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Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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nessnet wrote: Damn..... I (was) hoping for 4 months wait.... Now looking like summer / end of summer The NFA Branch has a message on their phone line that just changed to say waits are now at 5 months (it previously said 4 months)...as you can see from the NFATracker graph, stuff that was submitted in mid-August is coming back now. I suspect if you submit something today - the wait will be 7 or 8 months (and growing). As we get closer to the 41P/41F deadline, the wait will likely jump to 10 or 11 months as people try to get in at the last minute.
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