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SBR no longer being approved at dealers
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Site Supporter   Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8579 Real Name: Curtis 
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joao01 wrote: Not being an NFA guy yet, this is part of the reason I plan to get a Tavor when I can...avoid all this BS. Speaking as a "NFA guy", I think a Tavor is a wise choice. You retain the ballistic performance that would be lost with a shorter barrel, and you get the benefit of a more compact OAL as compared to a non-bullpup, but you get none of the hassles that come with ATF paperwork, forming and managing a Trust, or NFA territory in general. |
| Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:09 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20772 Real Name: John
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Guns4Liberty wrote: joao01 wrote: Not being an NFA guy yet, this is part of the reason I plan to get a Tavor when I can...avoid all this BS. Speaking as a "NFA guy", I think a Tavor is a wise choice. You retain the ballistic performance that would be lost with a shorter barrel, and you get the benefit of a more compact OAL as compared to a non-bullpup, but you get none of the hassles that come with ATF paperwork, forming and managing a Trust, or NFA territory in general. Those Tavor's are pretty cool, I fired one recently. My only complaint is the trigger.... Heavy long pull and reset. _________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it. Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole. NRA Member/RSO SAF 5 Year Donor GOA Member |
| Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:46 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8579 Real Name: Curtis
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usrifle wrote: Those Tavor's are pretty cool, I fired one recently. My only complaint is the trigger.... Heavy long pull and reset. That is my chief complaint as well. But I'm sure there's a solution to that somewhere...and if there isn't yet, there will be soon enough. On a different yet somewhat related note, this guy modified his Tavor to shoot .300 BLK. Now that's what I'm talking about.  |
| Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:04 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8654
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Guns4Liberty wrote: usrifle wrote: Those Tavor's are pretty cool, I fired one recently. My only complaint is the trigger.... Heavy long pull and reset. That is my chief complaint as well. But I'm sure there's a solution to that somewhere...and if there isn't yet, there will be soon enough. On a different yet somewhat related note, this guy modified his Tavor to shoot .300 BLK. Now that's what I'm talking about. Geissele has a tavor trigger. I think Timney or someone else do as well. _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:05 pm |
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 Site Moderator   Location: Renton/Kent Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2012 Posts: 3556 Real Name: Jacy
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FDE Tavor in .300BLK??!! I could totally get behind that. Otherwise, it's a little heavy even though it's well balanced.
Tavor, AR pistol--fun guns, but an SBR Kriss Vector would be sweet! I've said it before though, the biggest problem I have with NFA is the stupid wait! (How many months have I been waiting for my cans now???) |
| Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:19 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20772 Real Name: John
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The only 07 FFL I know of no longer processing SBR's is Rainier Arms.
...and apparently there is a backstory.  _________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it. Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole. NRA Member/RSO SAF 5 Year Donor GOA Member |
| Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:55 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4578 Real Name: J
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Honestly, it is more likely the question I asked them months ago...
"What about FET?" _________________ "Guns are dangerous." -Massivedesign |
| Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:08 pm |
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 Location: Ft Benning Ga Joined: Sun May 31, 2015 Posts: 501
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root wrote: Honestly, it is more likely the question I asked them months ago... "What about FET?" what does a field effect transistor have to do with this? |
| Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:53 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Everson, WA Joined: Sun Jan 6, 2013 Posts: 28206 Real Name: Ace Winky
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usrifle wrote: The only 07 FFL I know of no longer processing SBR's is Rainier Arms. ...and apparently there is a backstory. Well, we're waiting. _________________ Why does the Penguin in Batman sound like a duck? Because the eagle sounds like a hawk. |
| Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:01 pm |
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Site Supporter / FFL Dealer  Location: City of Snohomish Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 Posts: 698
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 _________________ Jules, if you give that fuckin' nimrod fifteen hundred dollars, I'm gonna shoot him on general principle. 07/02 FFL/SOT, located in Snohomish. Avid shooter/enthusiast, aspiring to be less shitty than USPSA C class. Contact for competitive pricing and 1 on 1 personal demos for NFA. HMU: sales@sts-wa.us |
| Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:04 pm |
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FFL / Dealer  Location: Covington, WA Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2015 Posts: 107
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Back Story. This all came about when an attorney with Northwest Gun Law (the people who do trusts) wrote a letter to dealers with an opinion that Form 2 WA built SBRs were illegal. Again, his opinion. Some dealers have stopped while other such as west coast armory continue. This did not come from the ATF. I am happy to do it for anyone here on the Forum.
_________________ Gunsmith / Cerakote / NFA Specialist Phone: (253)630-5900 Website: https://www.rehvarms.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rehvarms/?hl=en FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/rehvarms/ GunBroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?In ... ers=442366 07/02 FFL SOT 27623 Covington Way SE #2, Covington WA Serving Kent Renton Covington Maple Valley and the greater Seattle Area |
| Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:14 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4578 Real Name: J
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dagamore wrote: root wrote: Honestly, it is more likely the question I asked them months ago... "What about FET?" what does a field effect transistor have to do with this? Taxes to value added to the firearm. _________________ "Guns are dangerous." -Massivedesign |
| Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:08 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Midwest Joined: Thu Oct 2, 2014 Posts: 8654
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rehvarms wrote: Back Story. This all came about when an attorney with Northwest Gun Law (the people who do trusts) wrote a letter to dealers with an opinion that Form 2 WA built SBRs were illegal. Again, his opinion. Some dealers have stopped while other such as west coast armory continue. This did not come from the ATF. I am happy to do it for anyone here on the Forum. Perhaps NW Gun Law will not be my choice of trust when the time comes. _________________ Massivedesign wrote: I am thinking of a number somewhere between none of and your business. |
| Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:11 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8579 Real Name: Curtis
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joao01 wrote: rehvarms wrote: Back Story. This all came about when an attorney with Northwest Gun Law (the people who do trusts) wrote a letter to dealers with an opinion that Form 2 WA built SBRs were illegal. Again, his opinion. Some dealers have stopped while other such as west coast armory continue. This did not come from the ATF. I am happy to do it for anyone here on the Forum. Perhaps NW Gun Law will not be my choice of trust when the time comes. Or perhaps NW Gun Law Group knows what they are talking about and is trying to help dealers avoid headaches later, which would actually be a good reason to support them. I challenge anyone here to read the RCWs and make a legitimate case for a WA Form 2 / Form 4 SBR being legal for civilians. I've studied it, and my opinion is that NW Gun Law Group got it right, by the letter of the law. |
| Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:41 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: White Center Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 6489
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Guns4Liberty wrote: Or perhaps NW Gun Law Group knows what they are talking about and is trying to help dealers avoid headaches later, which would actually be a good reason to support them. I challenge anyone here to read the RCWs and make a legitimate case for a WA Form 2 / Form 4 SBR being legal for civilians. I've studied it, and my opinion is that NW Gun Law Group got it right, by the letter of the law. What about the spirit/intention of the original SBR law that Rep. Blake put forward? |
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