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cramer wrote:
Thanks for the info Randy, i wasn't having much luck on finding the guidelines for the engraving.

I've read some back and forth on engraving abreviation. For example: if the name is John Smith Gun Trust, you can shorten it to J. Smith Trust, or J. Smith Gun Trust. Others say it must match your trust document letter for letter.

My trust has my full name, I would like to only engrave the first letter to shorten it.

Any knowledge you can share on the subject?


Gee, now I want to register the "Fuck the BATFE Trust"

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cramer wrote:
Thanks for the info Randy, i wasn't having much luck on finding the guidelines for the engraving.

I've read some back and forth on engraving abreviation. For example: if the name is John Smith Gun Trust, you can shorten it to J. Smith Trust, or J. Smith Gun Trust. Others say it must match your trust document letter for letter.

My trust has my full name, I would like to only engrave the first letter to shorten it.

Any knowledge you can share on the subject?


Gee, now I want to register the "Fuck the BATFE Trust"

i would pay for your tax stamp if it came back approved with that as the trust name. not even joking. i would have to see the approved paperwork first for payment but would pay it.

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Oooh now I'm sorely tempted. Mainly because I do plan to build an SBR this year...

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Oooh now I'm sorely tempted. Mainly because I do plan to build an SBR this year...



Its all fun and games until you get an IRS audit. ;)


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kf7mjf wrote:
Oooh now I'm sorely tempted. Mainly because I do plan to build an SBR this year...



Its all fun and games until you get an IRS audit. ;)



Mainly I'm wondering if it's a good idea to have a weapon that would be engraved with the name of a government agency, even in a mocking sense. I suppose I could just write the ATF and say "So, somebody offered to pay for my tax stamp if I used this crazy name for a trust. You guys have a problem with it? If not, can I get a picture of me posing with one of your agents holding the gun to show the lighter, happier side of the ATF?"

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cramer wrote:
Thanks for the info Randy, i wasn't having much luck on finding the guidelines for the engraving.

I've read some back and forth on engraving abreviation. For example: if the name is John Smith Gun Trust, you can shorten it to J. Smith Trust, or J. Smith Gun Trust. Others say it must match your trust document letter for letter.

My trust has my full name, I would like to only engrave the first letter to shorten it.

Any knowledge you can share on the subject?


Cramer everything I've always read says the firearm engraving needs to match the exact trust name on the ATF form. The trust name on the ATF form needs to match your actual trust name, word for word.

This is why most people give their name a very short and sweet name if they plan to own any SBR's. I have one trust that was my full name but ditched it and made another with a one word name (i.e. MY TRUST).


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Forgot I asked that question in here, it's been so long! I should have updated it. I ended up engraving the entire trust name, everything I found stated the same Anthony. Luckily it's small text ;)


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kf7mjf wrote:
Oooh now I'm sorely tempted. Mainly because I do plan to build an SBR this year...



Its all fun and games until you get an IRS audit. ;)



Mainly I'm wondering if it's a good idea to have a weapon that would be engraved with the name of a government agency, even in a mocking sense. I suppose I could just write the ATF and say "So, somebody offered to pay for my tax stamp if I used this crazy name for a trust. You guys have a problem with it? If not, can I get a picture of me posing with one of your agents holding the gun to show the lighter, happier side of the ATF?"



There is a small niche collectors market for PD trade in firearms, plus there are millions of PD surplus handguns/rifles/shotguns that agencies have sold/traded in for new guns. I currently have an Atlanta PD marked M&P that was too cheap to pass up.


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NWRed wrote:

There is a small niche collectors market for PD trade in firearms, plus there are millions of PD surplus handguns/rifles/shotguns that agencies have sold/traded in for new guns. I currently have an Atlanta PD marked M&P that was too cheap to pass up.


I was really close to getting an Olympia PD marked gun when they changed issue guns a few years back, but my contact left before he could buy one. I've thought about collecting a few PD marked guns just for the interesting factor, it gives an interesting history to the gun.

Meanwhile, as far as the "Fuck the BATFE Trust" I'm still weighing my options. On one hand, free tax stamp. On the other, discretion. Or if the state allows profanity in a trust name. Things I'm all gonna check on once I get a couple free days.

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. . . as far as the "Fuck the BATFE Trust" I'm still weighing my options. On one hand, free tax stamp. On the other, discretion. Or if the state allows profanity in a trust name. Things I'm all gonna check on once I get a couple free days.

First, legally change your name to Stupid Fuck.
Then get your Fuck ATF Trust (saves two letters when engraving).
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. . . as far as the "Fuck the BATFE Trust" I'm still weighing my options. On one hand, free tax stamp. On the other, discretion. Or if the state allows profanity in a trust name. Things I'm all gonna check on once I get a couple free days.

First, legally change your name to Stupid Fuck.
Then get your Fuck ATF Trust (saves two letters when engraving).
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But they might mistake me for a state employee with a name like that.

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Good info..
Couple questions...
If going the trust route.. Is the "approval" time shorter than the individual?
And can you add or remove names to the trust as time goes on?
Once you have a trust can you buy an NFA iteam and walk out the door that day, or still have to send it for the stamp and wait?


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I think the approval flows are the same, but I'm not positive about that.

Adding or removing names to/from your trust . . . yes, but the manner in which your trust is written will determine how difficult this is.

You still need to do the tax stamp thing, with the horrendous flows.

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mrproc1 wrote:
If going the trust route.. Is the "approval" time shorter than the individual?


I've actually heard from dealers both ways, and I think the best answer is this is the ATF NFA Branch and there is no logic behind approval times. Sometimes they are short, sometimes they are longer, it's honestly random. To me the question on which way to go (trust vs. individual) has nothing to do with wait times but more about sharing of NFA items and inheritance.

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And can you add or remove names to the trust as time goes on?


This completely depends on the trust you purchase. Some allows co-trustees, some don't. Pay attention and make sure the one you get allows co-trustees and allows that page of the trust to be edited at any time. Mine I can tear up the co-trustee page at any time and start a new one, no change the master trust document.

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Once you have a trust can you buy an NFA iteam and walk out the door that day, or still have to send it for the stamp and wait?


Wow, you did really buy into the "trust loophole". There is NO way for you to buy any NFA item and walk out he door with it the same day. Period, end of story. Always a paid stamp, and always a wait time.


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kf7mjf wrote:
NWRed wrote:

There is a small niche collectors market for PD trade in firearms, plus there are millions of PD surplus handguns/rifles/shotguns that agencies have sold/traded in for new guns. I currently have an Atlanta PD marked M&P that was too cheap to pass up.


I was really close to getting an Olympia PD marked gun when they changed issue guns a few years back, but my contact left before he could buy one. I've thought about collecting a few PD marked guns just for the interesting factor, it gives an interesting history to the gun.

Meanwhile, as far as the "Fuck the BATFE Trust" I'm still weighing my options. On one hand, free tax stamp. On the other, discretion. Or if the state allows profanity in a trust name. Things I'm all gonna check on once I get a couple free days.
Any updates?

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