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Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace?

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Mr. Q Site Supporter Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3042	Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? So, hear me out. I am hating how long my "stock" has become after installing the deadfoot arms folding brace. is it legal to cut down, say a kak blade by 3" or so and install it? the functionality of the blade hasn't changed, just the length. the extra length of the buffer tube and brace is not necessary at all.... i've sent an email to kak, but wanted to hear your opinions. -e
Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:32 pm

dreadi Site Supporter / FFL Dealer Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8358	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? Are you planting to swap braces and cut it, while leaving the folding adapter on? _________________ BLACK HAMMER ARMS Buy A Suppressor http://www.silencershop.com/blackhammerarms Type 7 Class 2 SOT NFA Dealer 1911 Pistolsmithing Firearm Refinishing GLOCK Certified Armorer CMMG Authorized Dealer NEMO Arms Authorized Dealer http://www.blackhammerarms.com http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms/
Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:35 pm

Mr. Q Site Supporter Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3042	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? unsure of what you're asking. if i get the green light, i'd cut the kak brace down to about where that circle is on the bottom portion and cut the buffer tube to length and install onto the folding adapter. so..yes? lol
Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:45 pm

dreadi Site Supporter / FFL Dealer Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8358	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? I've got no facts or opinion on the matter at this time so my questions are pure curiosity. So you're going to take brace A, and swap it for brace B. Shorten brace B and the receiver extension. That's what I'm understanding. If you shorten the receiver extension, will it be on the threaded side? My first thought was of you cutting the back end and leaving an open side with no retention for the spring and buffer. _________________ BLACK HAMMER ARMS Buy A Suppressor http://www.silencershop.com/blackhammerarms Type 7 Class 2 SOT NFA Dealer 1911 Pistolsmithing Firearm Refinishing GLOCK Certified Armorer CMMG Authorized Dealer NEMO Arms Authorized Dealer http://www.blackhammerarms.com http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms/
Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:59 pm

jukk0u Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21268 Real Name: Vick Lagina	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? KAK has different length tubes. Have you visited the website to see which one you have? _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The ~~said~~ Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:03 pm

Ops Site Supporter Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? If you are modifying the brace than yes. since the atf classification is what it is when you bought it. you are alternating what it was originally classified as. you can buy shorter tubes but than you more than likely need to modify the bolt _________________ Yaki's - last journey Promote a Growth Mindset. Don't let a fixed mindset not allow change for the better. pow·er trip - noun - a self-aggrandizing quest for ever-increasing control over others.
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:14 pm

MadPick Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52035 Real Name: Steve	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? Ops wrote: If you are modifying the brace than yes. since the atf classification is what it is when you bought it. you are alternating what it was originally classified as. you can buy shorter tubes but than you more than likely need to modify the bolt I would agree with this. If you alter the brace then you’d need ATF approval of the modified part ... and please don’t ask them. :) _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. *Leave it cleaner than you found it.*
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:20 pm

Mr. Q Site Supporter Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3042	Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? If you look at the rifle, the buffer tube stops at the line I drew. The rifle can be fired with the stock folded. Yeah, I think I agree with ops and madpick ugh. What a waste of $450 [emoji20] Wait! Then again, I have the option to roll around with no buttstock, period. So maybe not such a waste. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:56 pm

jukk0u Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21268 Real Name: Vick Lagina	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? That's one of those "SB" braces? Maybe try a Blade? It will help it fold flatter, too. I have an AR with one of the first SB15 braces on it. And I shot a very similar AR (same barrel length) that had a blade. The pistol was overall a little shorter with the Blade. The pistol with the SB brace (mine) felt more comfortable to shoot for any length of time, but I would be willing to sacrifice the comfort for the length in a pinch. _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The ~~said~~ Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB
Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:42 pm

Guns4Liberty Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8562 Real Name: Curtis	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? I don't see why it would matter. It's not like you're changing the classification of the firearm in any way that would make the firearm illegal. You're just altering one part. It'd be like shortening the pistol grip - no biggie.
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:43 pm

Mr. Q Site Supporter Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3042	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? Just got an email from the pres of kak industries. He said definitely do not cut it down lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:49 pm

MadPick Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52035 Real Name: Steve	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? Yeah, they make it pretty clear that if you alter the brace, you invalidate the ATF approval. For example, if you remove the Velcro from an SB Tactical brace, it’s no longer ATF-approved. _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. *Leave it cleaner than you found it.*
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:59 pm

Guns4Liberty Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8562 Real Name: Curtis	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? MadPick wrote: Yeah, they make it pretty clear that if you alter the brace, you invalidate the ATF approval. For example, if you remove the Velcro from an SB Tactical brace, it’s no longer ATF-approved. Why is a brace treated differently than any other accessory? I'm trying to understand the logic here.
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:35 pm

Mr. Q Site Supporter Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3042	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? Because the atf is pissed they can’t make it illegal? Just a wild guess lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:17 pm

Ops Site Supporter Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688	Re: Would it be illegal if i cut down the kak brace? its a pistol, if it was a rifle do what you want but a kak tube and blade would be better _________________ Yaki's - last journey Promote a Growth Mindset. Don't let a fixed mindset not allow change for the better. pow·er trip - noun - a self-aggrandizing quest for ever-increasing control over others.
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:58 pm

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