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A Null
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Location: Federal Way Joined: Fri Aug 9, 2013 Posts: 913
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While attempting to sell a pistol I may have run across someone impersonating an FFL agent in an attempt to buy a handgun. I have decent evidence (spoke to actual FFL and he told me this has gone on for a while, as well as other data) and would like to nail this impersonator to the wall. Called the ATF and left a message... no returned phone call. Trying other avenues but thought perhaps ya'll might have some direct #'s to actual HUMANS at the ATF.
No, the impersonator is not on this board. I would have already sent the info to the moderators.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:39 am |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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did you get a copy of the ffl?
did you use ez check
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_________________Yaki's - last journeyPromote a Growth Mindset. Don't let a fixed mindset not allow change for the better.
pow·er trip - noun - a self-aggrandizing quest for ever-increasing control over others.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:54 am |
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A Null
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Location: Federal Way Joined: Fri Aug 9, 2013 Posts: 913
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I have a copy of the FFL, confirmed FFL# with atf web site. called FFL, he stated he DOESN'T want my pistol and it wasn't him who emailed me. real FFL stated someone has a copy of his full FFL license # and is doing the certified check scam on people.
I called those #'s at ATF, spoke to one human who referred me to voicemail. and I wait...
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:05 pm |
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A Null
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Location: Federal Way Joined: Fri Aug 9, 2013 Posts: 913
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Person at ATF just contacted me. Let's see what happens
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:42 pm |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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and its the FFL who should be contacting the ATF.
_________________Yaki's - last journeyPromote a Growth Mindset. Don't let a fixed mindset not allow change for the better.
pow·er trip - noun - a self-aggrandizing quest for ever-increasing control over others.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:54 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 51919
Real Name: Steve
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A Null wrote: Person at ATF just contacted me. Let's see what happens Please let us know how it shakes out.
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:03 pm |
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PMB
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Joined: Wed Mar 6, 2013 Posts: 12018
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I have always felt a little trepidatious about handing over my C&R FFL because of the info and potential for misuse. Seems much worse for a FFL01. Face to face business was almost always handled by seeing each others FFL03 and writing down the info.
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:10 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18385
Real Name: Johnny 5
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Sounds like a common 'you can ship it to my dealer' armslist scam...
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:24 pm |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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TechnoWeenie wrote: Sounds like a common 'you can ship it to my dealer' armslist scam... you must be dealing with shady people , never heard that before. and you only mail it to the mailing address on the ffl form after checking the atf ez verify. If you don't you shouldn't own firearms
_________________Yaki's - last journeyPromote a Growth Mindset. Don't let a fixed mindset not allow change for the better.
pow·er trip - noun - a self-aggrandizing quest for ever-increasing control over others.
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:18 am |
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root
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Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4578
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Ops wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: Sounds like a common 'you can ship it to my dealer' armslist scam... you must be dealing with shady people , never heard that before. and you only mail it to the mailing address on the ffl form after checking the atf ez verify. If you don't you shouldn't own firearms NO TRUE SCOTSMAN WOULD EVER!
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:22 am |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18385
Real Name: Johnny 5
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Ops wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: Sounds like a common 'you can ship it to my dealer' armslist scam... you must be dealing with shady people , never heard that before. So, I'm associated with nefarious characters because I'm aware of scams that you're not? Quote: and you only mail it to the mailing address on the ffl form after checking the atf ez verify. If you don't you shouldn't own firearms I worked at a gun shop where people would come in on a daily basis wanting to buy 10.5" bbls for their AR15s 'because it would look cool'....They had zero idea of what NFA meant... These same people are supposed to know what EZ Verify is when they're given a 'certified check' and a 'copy of my FFL'? How about you educate yourself before throwing shade...... Link
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:47 am |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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thanks for the laugh.
you can sure make a good chuckle
_________________Yaki's - last journeyPromote a Growth Mindset. Don't let a fixed mindset not allow change for the better.
pow·er trip - noun - a self-aggrandizing quest for ever-increasing control over others.
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:35 am |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11595
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In the 80's someone got a hold of a copy of my FFL and tried using it. It had my old address on it, not sure if they were successful or not.
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:26 am |
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Unicorn
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 Posts: 2597
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Ops wrote: thanks for the laugh.
you can sure make a good chuckle Or you could even read the post Dan posted in 2013... viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22277Quote: Need to verify that the FFL you are sending your firearm to is legit? Verify! https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/There has been a rash of Armslist / CL scammers trying to buy your weapons and have them ship it to "their" FFL, but they provide a fraudulent FFL document. The BATFE provides you an easy online FFL verification site to make sure you are sending your firearms to the real deal.
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