Depends on the scenario... In a vehicle? You got time to put on your ear pro and roll down a window? lol. @ home? You hear a bump in the middle of the night?

I'd say if you had 10 seconds to roll down your window and put your ear pro on, you probably weren't afraid for your life at that moment.

@ home though, I see it as being prepared.

Regardless, good shoot is good shoot...

Niether of those are bag-ready.. Although with a LAW folding stock, it's an option...

I will pretty much be permanently deaf if I ever have to fire my mini draco inside my vehicle.. I know that... My 9mm carry weapon, probably deaf for a couple hours and ringing for life.. I kinda already accepted this... OUTSIDE, I expect only slight hearing loss temporarily from the 9mm, and the AK is questionable, as such a short bbl with such a large report is gonna do some damage, I just don't know how much, or how permanent it would be. NOT something I wanna test out.

Sort of the quandry I was in a few years ago. My initial BOB gun was a 300blk AR, for same reasons as you. I wanted good power to longer ranges, and I wanted suppressed so quiet, both incase of active shooter or general SHTF. Less attention coming my way is a good thing. It was an SBR with F1 CAN and Dolos system, so it all fit in a std backpack. The problem with this was that as a rifle it could not have a loaded mag in it in a vehicle. Being Dolos (while pretty darn quick) it took time and some dexterity to get the together. I want to say it was around 10seconds to pull it it and get barrel locked in and ready to put mag in. That was unstressed, so no panic and loss of dexterity from adrenalin dump. Now what are the chances any of us will be in this situation and need something any faster? As you said pretty unlikely, but still worth considering. Thinking of it ahead of time means we are better prepared to make a decision when it matters..

Since then I have changed my mindset a bit. As mentioned, over 100yrds I should be able to evade, find cover and maneuver rather than need to engage at such longer ranges. If there is a need to advance, it would be with cover/concealement to get to a sfae shooting distance where you pose the least risk to bystanders. Regardless of caliber I am not shooting from 100yrds if innocents are in very close proximity to the shooter.

Once I got my scorpion and sbr stamp I converted to 9mm SBR. Factory folding stock this gun fits in that same backpack. It is still a rifle so no loaded mags in it, but deployment in unsuppressed form is about 5 seconds, loaded and ready with no fine motor skills at all needed. Fold out stock, slap in a mag, rack the charge handle, shoot. A F1 can is available but it is slow to deploy, I could make it faster, just do not want to spend the $ on it. This gun just flat out shoots well too and I have no problem hitting 8" plates out @ 100yrds all day long with the F1 can on it. It also uses 147grn 9mm ammo the same as my CC weapon. While mags are not interchangeable, they can share ammo. For me that is more than acceptable for a BOB gun. imho 9mm has plenty of power and accuracy out to that point.

Whats the OAL of those pistols, Ops?

A hell of a lot more than 14" :D

Youre the cake eater, than said you visualized him covered in cake. Youre the sicko.

get a room you two

My GHB holds an AK pistol just fine and it's over 14".

those 2 aren't mine but what I based my 2 ar9's on

if you want small 9mm

Already threaded 5/8x24, shares mags with Glock 19 carry pistol. Very short. Relatively accurate with 16" barrel. No stamps required unless you want a can on it. Cheap. Reliable. Cheap hi cap mags.

Mike beat me to it - Glock-pattern Sub2000 for the win. Very compact and relatively lightweight, easy to deploy, has mag compatibility with sidearm, easy to shoot accurately, and relatively inexpensive. And, the firearm itself is not NFA, so there's one tax stamp you don't have to pay for. Throw a Red Lion rotating handguard on it for red dot use, and you're good to go.

Steve is right that subsonic 9mm has serious bullet drop at longer distances (I notice it even at 100 yards) compared to supersonic. I think the answer is to carry and shoot 124gr +P JHP (something like Federal P9HST3). Although it's supersonic, it still sounds pretty good through a can, and it'll shoot flatter than the subsonic stuff while maintaining good terminal ballistics @ 100 yds, and probably even beyond.

Whats the length on that folded up? Seems like those can be a bit hard to come by at times? Love my Keltec RDB so far. Sub2k might get a look if I ever stumble on one cheap.

I built a 7.5” ar15 for this exact reason. I used a dead foot arms buffer to have an oal of 17.2”. Not terrible, but it fits perfectly in my camelback along with 6 packed mags with none the wiser.
My problem is I can barely hit black on a full sized target at 50 yards. Fml. It could be the crappy red dot I threw on there, but most likely my crappy aim + 7.5” barrel. Trying to hit black at 100yds is a pipe dream at the moment.
Also, can suppress this if I want, but there’s only one mfg who has a suppressor rated for 7.5” 556 barrel.


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Just measured mine. A hair under 16 1/4" at its longest point. Fits easily inside of my normal backpack and runs even the cheap KCI knock off mags without a hiccup.

ETA- Check out Lynnwood gun, I got my Sub2000 Glock 17 gen 2 model there for $369.99

I don't own a Glock.. Otherwise, a very solid suggestion..