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 But at least the Brits and French are safe from gun violence 
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Guns are essentially illegal (as we'd consider them) to possess, carry, or use in defense in the UK and France.

I'm not suggesting carrying a gun is necessarily going to deter a vehicle attack or a suicide bombing, but if the rationale is to protect civilians from violence, they are doing a piss poor job and there seems to be fairly creative ways that are used to execute violence with cars, acid attacks, illegal guns, grenades, box trucks, bucket bombs...

So gun laws don't seem to deter many mass killings and attacks by terrorists in the last 5-15 years though, with many mass killings in the last 30 months. (Heck even in the USA gun laws don't deter killers in the least, who use illegal guns, bombs, vehicles, knives... not to my surprise.)

I will note however that armed resistance is a common theme to stopping a terrorist AT SOME POINT, when he is ultimately confronted.

Lots of terrorism in France, here's the lowlights:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33288542

"...7-9 January 2015, Charlie Hebdo offices and Hypercacher supermarket, Paris: Brothers Said and Cherif Kouachi attacked the offices of French magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris, killing 12 people including the editor and celebrated cartoonists. The following day a policewoman was murdered by Amedy Coulibaly, who then held up a Jewish supermarket, killing four people. The Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly were all killed after separate hostage stand-offs with police....

...13-14 November 2015, Paris: Gunmen and suicide bombers hit a concert hall, a major stadium, restaurants and bars, almost simultaneously - and left 130 people dead and hundreds wounded. The deadliest attack of the night came at a concert venue on Boulevard Voltaire, where Californian rock group Eagles of Death Metal was playing. Eighty-nine people died as the men fired Kalashnikov-type assault rifles into the crowd....

....14 July 2016, Nice: At least 84 people were killed, including children, after a lorry slammed through a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in the southern French city of Nice. The driver ploughed on for 2km (1.2 miles) on the Promenade des Anglais at about 23:00 local time, before being shot dead by police. Witnesses say the speeding lorry swerved and zigzagged in an apparent attempt to hit more people...."

Rapidly escalating terrorism in England, with the lowlights:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/ter ... d=47579860
By MICHAEL EDISON HAYDEN Sep 15, 2017,

"...July 7, 2005: London Underground attack
Four suicide bombers armed with "rucksacks full of explosives" attacked civilians traveling on London Underground trains as well as a double-decker bus on the morning of July 7, 2005. More than 50 people were killed and hundreds of others were injured, according to a report by BBC News.

Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, Hasib Hussain, 18, and Germaine Lindsay, 19, carried out the attacks, according to the BBC.

The attackers were motivated by Islamic extremism, and Khan recorded a video prior to carrying out the attacks in which he praised al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden....

...May 22, 2013: Murder of Lee Rigby
Two Islamic extremists savagely murdered Lee Rigby, a British soldier and veteran of the Afghanistan War, just outside an army barrack, telling eyewitnesses the killing was "as an eye for an eye ... because Muslims are dying by British soldiers every day," according to ABC News reporting from that time.

The killers, Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, first ran over Rigby in a car then dragged him into the middle of the street in the South London neighborhood of Woolwich...

...March 22, 2017: Westminster Bridge attack
Three people were killed, including a police officer, and at least 29 people were hospitalized following an attack in London that took place earlier this year.

The attack began when a driver struck pedestrians and three police officers on Westminster Bridge, London's Metropolitan Police said. The suspect, 52-year-old Briton Khalid Masood, was shot and killed by police....

...May 23, 2017: Manchester Arena suicide bombing
ISIS claimed responsibility for the deadly explosion at a concert hall in Manchester, England, where American singer Ariana Grande had just finished performing. Twenty-two people died and 59 others were injured in the attack.

The attacker died at the scene at Manchester Arena after using an improvised explosive device...

...June 3, 2017: London Bridge and Borough Market incidents

Less than two weeks after the Manchester Arena bombing, London's Metropolitan Police Service responded to two "terrorist incidents" following reports of a van plowing into pedestrians on London Bridge, as well as reports of stabbings at the nearby Borough Market, killing seven people and injuring 48....

...June 19, 2017: Finsbury Park mosque attack

One person died and 10 more people were injured after a man drove a van into a crowd gathered after prayers outside a mosque situated in the Finsbury Park area of London.

The attack, which occurred a little more than two weeks after the London Bridge attack, happened shortly after midnight, and affected worshipers during the Muslim religious period of Ramadan.

Prime Minister May called the attack "every bit as sickening as those have come before" and said "evil of this kind will never succeed," after holding an emergency meeting to coordinate the government's response at 10 Downing Street.

London mayor Sadiq Khan called the incident a "horrific terrorist attack."....

...Sept. 15, 2017: Parsons Green tube attack
A rush-hour blast rocked a subway car as the train was pulling into the Parsons Green station in West London.

The improvised explosive device on the train did not fully explode, according to London's Metropolitan Police Service.

Police said the incident is being treated as a terrorist incident.

The London Ambulance Service said it transported 22 people to the hospital, but none of the injuries were serious or life-threatening.

Prime Minister May said after an emergency Cabinet meeting that the nation's threat level is at "severe." The public should remain vigilant, she said.

A British government official said the incident is being treated as a terror attack..."

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Yep, but now you are arguing logically and that just doesn't cut it. Those were all isolated occurances and if we could just get rid of all those guns out there these things wouldn't happen.
Can hear the set of pure mush coming out already.
Great post. Always good to be reminded of why Washington and the rest though the 2nd amendment was a good idea.

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