You should go pick him up and take him down to look at American made scopes...in your TOYOTA truck.

And no I will not stop throwing that in your face until you buy an American truck. Just so you know.

Look into the Vortex Strike Eagle. They're affordable. I really like mine.

I have one on my 300BO, and love it. For an outstanding bargain the 1-4 Cabelas with base/ring is the best value.

Oooh . . . that one left a mark.

My toy-odor was made the last year production was in northern california.

Fracking auto makers sold out U.S. labor leaving the consumer with little choice. i owned fords from the time I cut teeth up until I bought this truck (I had a couple of bastard cars too, along the way).

Yeah... you g'wan and hurl your slings and arrows... I've been looking at late 60's f250's with longing recently. best I can do, for now....

Oh so now you're supporting California! Jesus Christ man!!!!!

Natchez Shooter's Supply has refurbished Nikon P-223 scopes on sale frequently.

https://www.natchezss.com/refurbished-n ... matte.html

https://www.natchezss.com/catalogsearch ... r=position

Lol awesome... shots fired.

and one that didn't take the bail out too

Haa haaa haaa Too funny



Ok so back to the OPs original question, I would Vote for am Aimpoint PRO Model, can be had for around 300$ New and the battery life is fracking amazing.

Thanks all, this has given me a great start.

Guntrader, PM sent.



one more general question on the subject of batteries, is there a lot of difference in battery life between scopes, or do I just buy a multi-pack of batteries and accept this as reality?

Kinda depends on what optic you decide to go with, the Aimpoint PRO has like a 50K hour run time on a fresh set of Batteries. I'm not 100% sure what the Eotechs are but 50K hours is pretty impressive.


I also like the no Batteries option like in the PA 1-4.

We're talking about actual magnified optics? aka glass? or red dots?

If we're still talking about magnified optics, at this price point, a conversation on battery life is rare because magnified illuminated optics are less prevalent, and the focus on both manufacturer and consumer seems to be more towards turret dials/holding zero/repeatable accuracy.
If we're talking red dots, then there are models (even some low-cost models) that will approach aimpoint battery life (like Holosun 503c).

I just assumed 'glass' meant a magnified optic.

What is he wanting?

A cheap red dot might be the best option if he's just starting out.


ETA- Just looked back at the first post. He might think he wants a scope but after using it might not like it. You've got some great suggestions already: Primary Arms and the deal at Cabela's that Chuck posted are probably your best bets. SWFA can have some good deals too so I would check them out. I have one of there SS scopes on an 18" barreled AR and really like it.

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I have two of these cheap Centerpoint 1-4x scopes. They appear to be identical to the Cabela's model but without the BDC reticle. For $75 includes cantilever mount that will put at the correct height for most ARs with a standard fixed front sight. At this price point I was not expecting much (just enough for a .22LR) but honestly it is a better scope than the older Primary Arms 1-4x that I have, which I considered the lowest entry point to the 1-4x game.

I started with one on a Sig 522 and liked it enough that I picked up a second to beat on a little harder just to see what it could handle. It has stood up to several hundred rounds of semi-auto .308 and 7.62 NATO surplus via a Zastava M77 AK with no issue.

You said cheapest, so... I don't think you'll find anything cheaper than this that isn't getting into airsoft territory.

https://www.amazon.com/Centerpoint-1-4x ... B00AL1Y2IY