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GeekWithGuns
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Location: Round Rock, TX Joined: Thu Mar 5, 2015 Posts: 3899
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Fungunnin wrote: The 617 is a k frame not l frame. You sir are correct. I just checked on the Smith website and they clearly state that the 617 is a k frame design. My confusion must stem from the fact that both designs have full underlugs. I happened to own both until recently and they are similar in size so I did a bit more digging around. Found some interesting info on the smith & wesson forum: Quoted From: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/200519-617-k-l-frame.htmlThey are actually quite close in size and a 617 will actually weigh MORE than a 686 with the same barrel length. As for why, smaller bores in the cylinder and barrel means that those parts weight more. As for the key difference, the cylinder in the K frame is 1.45 inches in diameter and the cylinder on the L frame is 1.56 inches in diameter. Because of this the window in the frame on the L frame is 0.11 inch "taller" and the barrel is 0.055 inch further away from the center of the cylinder. Finally, the stub that threads into the frame on the L frame is a bit larger than the stub that threads into the K frame, so barrels cannot be swapped between the 2 frame sizes. Beyond those differences due to the larger cylinder, the K and L frame are basically identical, length of the frame windows are the same, the top strap has the same width and thickness, and the area under the frame window is bascially identical. Also, the K and L frame use the same grip frame from one of the poster's there. Bascially, the L frame is a K frame that was enlarged just enough to correct the slight weakness that the K frame demonstrated with the 357 Magnums that were used with light bullets loaded to maximum pressure. By raising the barrel be 0.055 inch in relation to the center of the cylinder the flat on the underside of the barrel to clear the gas ring on the cylinder was eliminated in the L frame. At the same time they enlarged the barrel stub that extends into the frame by IIRC by 0.02 inch. The result was no more split forcing cones in the Magnums in a revolver that wasn't much heavier. BTW, the greatest weight gain in most of the L frames is due to the full length barrel underlug that is featured on most L frames. However, the 686 Mountain gun which features a Tapered semi lugged barrel is listed at a weight of only 32 ounces, which is actually 2 ounces LESS than the weight of my 4 inch tapered barrel model 67-1 K frame. However, I have a sneaking hunch that when that 686 Mountain gun was actually weighed it didn't have the grips mounted because I would expect that with the standard Hogue rubbers it will actually weigh in at 34 to 35 ounces, basically the same as my 67-1.
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Sinus211
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Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13503
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4834
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My vote is a SS sp101.
Or a nice Uberti 22lr that holds 12 rounds.
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Tue May 16, 2017 5:21 pm |
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the_chadman
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Location: Federal Way Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 Posts: 580
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Love my 2.25 inch sp101 in .357 mag. It's my daily carry and I don't even notice it carrying iwb. It's meaty for it's class but they are built sturdy.
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Tue May 16, 2017 7:48 pm |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11595
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I've owned three bad revolvers: Taurus P-85 .38 special stainless. Firing pin spring broke making it impossible to load or cock unless gun was pointed in the air. Charter Arms Undercover .32 SW Long: Gun would lock up, couldn't cock, pull trigger, or open cylinder without wiggling it around for awhile. High Standard .22: Barrel shot off and went flying downrange a few feet.
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hkcavalier
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Location: NE WA Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 Posts: 5488
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Yeah, I pretty much ignored the whole concealed carry aspect. There really aren't any small revolvers that are fun to shoot all AND make good defensive guns.
Master the trigger on a double action revolver and nothing will seem difficult to you.
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Tue May 16, 2017 8:21 pm |
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Sinus211
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Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13503
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Guntrader wrote: I've owned three bad revolvers: Taurus P-85 .38 special stainless. Firing pin spring broke making it impossible to load or cock unless gun was pointed in the air. Charter Arms Undercover .32 SW Long: Gun would lock up, couldn't cock, pull trigger, or open cylinder without wiggling it around for awhile. High Standard .22: Barrel shot off and went flying downrange a few feet. Well that's a pretty solid testimonial to avoid buying shitty revolvers.
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Tue May 16, 2017 8:23 pm |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11595
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Oh, I've had problems with Colt, SW, and Dan Wesson revolvers too. But those three I mentioned made me avoid the brand altogether...the whole thing about the gun suddenly being unable to fire. (Weird though, because I had an older Taurus P-85 that I never had a problem with.) sinus211 wrote: Guntrader wrote: I've owned three bad revolvers: Taurus P-85 .38 special stainless. Firing pin spring broke making it impossible to load or cock unless gun was pointed in the air. Charter Arms Undercover .32 SW Long: Gun would lock up, couldn't cock, pull trigger, or open cylinder without wiggling it around for awhile. High Standard .22: Barrel shot off and went flying downrange a few feet. Well that's a pretty solid testimonial to avoid buying shitty revolvers.
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RusoArmo
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Location: Lynnwood Joined: Thu Dec 6, 2012 Posts: 5446
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I had a thread on this not too long ago.
I ended up getting a Ruger gP100 6" Talo
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Wed May 17, 2017 6:28 am |
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sportsdad60
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Location: The banana belt of MT Joined: Wed Dec 30, 2015 Posts: 8587
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zombie66 wrote: you guys are forgetting one small detail about what the OP wants............Conceal-ability and with the choices you all have offered no dice on CC it, IMHO you want a good shooter and something to practice with, get a Ruger SP101 stay away from the Poly revolvers.A used SP101 can be had for about 100$ more than a new LCR, also I would stick with .38/.357 on Caliber. This way you can shoot what you are gonna carry. Everyone knows that you cannot carry a .22.............. S&W- Good Ruger (Steel)-Good Ruger (Polymer)-Bad Rossi- Why not save a little more $$$ and get a Smith Charter Arms-Whats the point? Taurus-ShitFlame On................. I totally agree with this synopsis. But...you left out Colt. Colts cost more, but they never go DOWN in value!
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sportsdad60
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hkcavalier wrote: Yeah, I pretty much ignored the whole concealed carry aspect. There really aren't any small revolvers that are fun to shoot all AND make good defensive guns.
Master the trigger on a double action revolver and nothing will seem difficult to you. Soooo true! I still use the hammer but my revolvers only come out at the range. A revolver in Single action 2-3 lb trigger pull= fun shooting!
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17818
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zombie66 wrote: you guys are forgetting one small detail about what the OP wants............Conceal-ability and with the choices you all have offered no dice on CC it, IMHO you want a good shooter and something to practice with, get a Ruger SP101 stay away from the Poly revolvers.A used SP101 can be had for about 100$ more than a new LCR, also I would stick with .38/.357 on Caliber. This way you can shoot what you are gonna carry. Everyone knows that you cannot carry a .22.............. S&W- Good Ruger (Steel)-Good Ruger (Polymer)- BadGOOD Nice trigger: Patented friction reducing cam is a next generation design in fire control systems that results in a smooth, non-stacking trigger pull. Rossi- Why not save a little more $$$ and get a Smith Charter Arms-Whats the point? Taurus- Shit GOOD Flame On.................
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hkcavalier
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Location: NE WA Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 Posts: 5488
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Sorry golddigger14s, can't agree that Taurus makes good revolvers. They don't.
Unfortunately, both S&W and Ruger are having QC issues with their revolvers. Look and feel before you peel (off those hundred dollar bills). But a good S&W or Ruger is better than a "good" i.e. made to their spec Taurus. I do like the Taurus rubber grips on their big bores.
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78Rainier
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Location: Federal Way Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2016 Posts: 175
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Thanks for the great advice. Now I have a list to take to the rental range and keep an eye out in the For Sale section.
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stompah
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Location: Renton Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2015 Posts: 2163
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Agree with Zombie66.
I first had a .357 LCR that I traded for a 3"ish SP101. In hindsight I should have kept the LCR and paid cash for the SP101. They both serve a purpose.
LCR in my pocket is 99% undetectable when I stand. Especially when I had my cell phone in the other pocket. People always guessed the cell phone was the gun.
LCR is is a bit tough to shoot if you like to practice with magnums. But, .357 frame with .38 +Ps are easier to handle.
I love my SP101, can shoot anything out of it and enjoy it all day. Cannot conceal nearly as easily as the LCR but still doable.
My advice is get both.
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