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Why can't the Republicans ever create a counter narrative?
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jukk0u
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WaJim wrote: Mediumrarechicken wrote: So the Fed gas tax can go up .35. AWESOME!!!!!!!...... Right? Now they're getting $20k per student per year. Classroom of 30 pupils =$600,000 Teacher pay (they say) $50,000 $550,000 per classroom left per year. There are 2541 pupils in Curtis High this year. 2541 X~18,333= $46,584,999.9999 for three grades in one single school. You'd think with all that money they could have any kind of security system installed with left over petty cash. Wheres all the money going.? According to the booklet handed out by my congress-cretins WA's expenditures per student is $10,073. The booklet does not say whether that is just what the STATE puts in or if that includes local levees and etc. They put Teacher salaries at $53,738 (average) - you should see what the University of WA pays... EDIT: the booklet also says 18.7 students per teacher.... and the teacher salary is shown as a base salary of $53 some odd but shows an "additional salary" figure of up to $14,543. I think this is a premium paid for more experienced teachers and depends on years of service.
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hkcavalier
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$53k is nowhere close to total comp.
There are already lots of schools with armed peace officers on the premises. They're in the ghetto. Soccer moms don't want to send little Taylor and Madison to one of "those" schools...they'd rather ban guns.
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:43 pm |
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PMB
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hkcavalier wrote: $53k is nowhere close to total comp. Excellent point. When I estimate the cost of any full-time employee with full benefits, I double the stated income for total compensation, although that might be a little bit high. 1.6 or 1.7 x stated income?
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:49 pm |
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hkcavalier wrote: $53k is nowhere close to total comp.
There are already lots of schools with armed peace officers on the premises. They're in the ghetto. Soccer moms don't want to send little Taylor and Madison to one of "those" schools...they'd rather ban guns. We had 2 cops at all times at my school, sometimes 3 and a few times a lot more. The cops weren't very happy after they stuffed a mentally ill kid in the back of a car, because some guys grabbed rocks and busted out all the windows, pulled him out and got him home. Fun times
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WaJim
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PMB wrote: I thought a good rough number was $10k/student per year. Even so, a lot of money. Where did you find $20k/year? Also, if we're assuming middle to high school, the teacher cost would be x6.
Just finished a good book by Mark Levin (Plunder and Deceit) that had a whole chapter on education in the USA ... I guess I should do a book review. Well I guess to be fair the range is between 19K and 6k....depending on the state. 2015 numbers https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/loc ... 55608ba195
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Guns4Liberty wrote: sreyemj wrote: Why can’t Republicans ever create a decent counter narrative about gun control? Because a nuanced issue requires a nuanced response; unfortunately, the audience has the attention span of a 3-year old, so the GOP comes off sounding like a bunch of boring policy wonks. Most people want 5-second sound bites and bumper-sticker slogans; they don't want to understand the nuances. It's not that the Republicans don't have a narrative, it's that no one wants to listen to it. Best answer!
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jukk0u
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From WA.gov. Insthlee'ths budget. See especially, page 18 for teachers salary: https://ofm.wa.gov/sites/default/files/ ... lights.pdfFavorite quote: Washington has fallen behind other states in revenue as a share of the economy. To me, that means "job well done!" (to them, it's an excuse to raise taxes)
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Pablo
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WA State just got a $600-$2000+ increase on every home in this great state, so WA has a TON of money for real school safety. That is a VERY short message. State repubes should run with a commercial. Can't be that hard??
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Because we're not propaganda machines?
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The left doesn’t want to talk or listen. They want it their way and that’s it.
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jukk0u wrote: WaJim wrote: Mediumrarechicken wrote: So the Fed gas tax can go up .35. AWESOME!!!!!!!...... Right? Now they're getting $20k per student per year. Classroom of 30 pupils =$600,000 Teacher pay (they say) $50,000 $550,000 per classroom left per year. There are 2541 pupils in Curtis High this year. 2541 X~18,333= $46,584,999.9999 for three grades in one single school. You'd think with all that money they could have any kind of security system installed with left over petty cash. Wheres all the money going.? According to the booklet handed out by my congress-cretins WA's expenditures per student is $10,073. The booklet does not say whether that is just what the STATE puts in or if that includes local levees and etc. They put Teacher salaries at $53,738 (average) - you should see what the University of WA pays... EDIT: the booklet also says 18.7 students per teacher.... and the teacher salary is shown as a base salary of $53 some odd but shows an "additional salary" figure of up to $14,543. I think this is a premium paid for more experienced teachers and depends on years of service. No those prices don't reflect levies as they vary from district to district. The states per student price is actually closer to $13k. This number is come by through adding up what all Washington public education pays into utilities, custodial, transportation, maintenance, teacher pay and benefits, administrative costs, etc, and dividing it up per student. As so I've been told. The 'additional salary' is not based on experience unless the district negotiated some additional pay based on years worked in the district, but that is usually not the case. That additional pay can come from various sources. Such as if a teacher has gone through the National Board Certification program the feds will pay them an additional 5k a year, with a renewal of the cert in 5 years. Other districts also pay teachers to do additional jobs beyond the school day, such as coaching and after school activities that extend beyond the contracted day. More students in a classroom beyond the state level, or district negotiated level can bring about more pay. Some districts pay into benefits differently than other districts and that shows up as additional too. As for class size funding it changes by grade level. The state is 'fully funding' classrooms grade K-3 at 18 kids per class. It goes up from there to 28 kids in a 7th grade class. One thing that isn't mentioned in your post is how much districts pay to administration (well over 100k plus all their bennies) and district office employees. Not to mention the pay of those at OSPI and ESD, which I was told paid through taxes but I'm not 100%.
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sreyemj wrote: Why can’t Republicans ever create a decent counter narrative about gun control? They play defense on AWBs and offer nothing workable in return. Trump and the dum-dums should have been pushing a “School Safety Act” within the first 24 hours with:
-Funding for security cameras, keyed entry, and armed guards. -School safety inspectors to conduct periodic safety reviews and assign schools letter grades to be posted in public areas and sent to parents (like restaurant safety ratings). -National tip line for school violence and bullying -Registration of all unlicensed machine guns to ensure these weapons do not become involved in school shootings.
Add a $0.15 national gas tax to pay for it with strict stipulations that it’s used for only these purposes. I would like to see anyone oppose that, filibustering it would be political suicide… I don't believe there should have to be any counter narrative of the right, if we(they) follow the laws and RIGHTS currently on the books there should be no reason for the need to defend. More taxing? Our taxes are already wasted on the unneeded and frivolous. If they want to raise, or make a new tax, for building more mental facilities, jails and prisons, I'd be happily and ectstatically thrilled while checking the yes box. Metal detectors, guards and other feel safe shit still doesn't stop a nut case, locking them up and making any chance of them legally buying a weapon does in their lifetime does. It absolutely sucks to bluntly state the fact that school shootings will never stop. But taking problem people out of society does greatly minimize it. We have schools buying millions of dollars worth of art, decorative lunch rooms and expensive teacher getaways for training, I do have family that are teachers in Washington State so not pulling shit out of my ass. Even they complain that it doesn't help education, and all that money used to make a school pretty, could be used for actual education or more help for students falling behind and having a problem keeping up with the rest of the class. Our tax dollars are already wasted and we have no say. Our education system is on, or there, the brink of corruption. Our laws are unenforced and plea bargained to nothing. Lack of empathy and the lack of abilities to accept, or deal with, failure is the new normal.
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I prefer a consistent message based on a principled stance instead of always changing reactionaryism.
Stay on message.
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