Shit.

How quickly do you expect this to occur in an infrastructure that cannot even get a NFA stamp back to a person who already has NFA items in less than 200 days?

But are we training pilots to use a gun in the event of a plane jacking? I believe that is the job of an air marshal, plus the extensive screening in the form of id checking, bag checking, and patting down prior to getting on an airplane is all about. Should we extend this TSA style system to schools too? Plus if you are relying on teachers to essentially raise your kids, then as a parent you are doing it wrong. More and more teachers are having to play the roll of parent because of the number of parents who aren't doing their part. Too many parents are expecting the public education system to give their child all their life skills so they don't have to, or because they are too inept to do so. Which would explain why so many students come to schools without the social skills bag of tools to manage peer interactions, unfair situations, rejection, not being included in everything, or not everyone wanting to be your friend. I don't feel it should be the job of the teacher to pack heat in the room. Give that roll to another authority figure, and design that roll into a way to both serve and protect students, but also be a positive tool for law enforcement to be an outreach to the community.

Besides, where are the states going to find the money to pay for training, lock boxes, guns, and ammo to supply classrooms? Let alone probably having to pay someone to clean and maintain said firearms? Do we supply bullet proof vests too? What kind of liability would be placed on a district or teacher for an accident, or friendly fire situation in the event of a shooting? Do you think the voting population of Washington would support taxes to pay for these things?

A buddy of mine is a principal in a small town in Montana. After Sandy Hook his local community demanded that someone on campus must have a gun to help prevent this from happening at their school. The school board decided to pay for training, a gun, ammo, and a lock box for him. He is not allowed to carry it on his persons unless of emergencies, and has to keep his door locked at all times. He feels that if something did happen, and he is away from his office, he actually won't be able to get to his office, unlock the door and the box in time to prevent casualties. Especially since his community is expecting him to do so. He feels money would be better spent on a full time guard or cop in the building. This way when SHTF the officer can react sooner and help save more lives as they will be actively carrying and can address the situation with a faster response.

Volunteers apply, then get qualified, mandatory shooter training with local PD, when PD qualifies, they qualify. Requalify on PD schedule. Qualify with their own ammo. as far as liability goes, that's a good question.I hate giving people 'outs', but with the litigious society we have..Maybe a 'immune as long as a reasonable person would have acted the way they did' kind of thing, not a 'reasonable police officer' standard, but a reasonable person.

In areas where there are no/few volunteers, then you might need to have trained volunteers..that aren't teachers... I'd fucking LOVE to see retired gunnys playing hall monitor, while keeping watch....

The bigger issue is going to come in anti-gun areas/communities..

But, you allow armed guards to protect your money, but not your children?

Over the past day or so a bunch of school walk outs have been planned, as well as protests in Florida by students and adults. They are asking for politicians to do something to curb these school shooting events. But if we look back on a number of them they are caused by someone either being picked on, dumped, or not included. That all points to how students are treating one another. There are a lot of students who make comments through the internet, and aren't held accountable. Or someone will say something they actually mean, get a negative reaction, and say, "just kidding." If students want these events to change, perhaps they need to look at how they are treating each other and hold themselves accountable for their words and actions.

Also isn't any object that was used to inflict harm or damage on someone considered an 'assault weapon' based on the fact the user committed assault?

Ben (dickhead) Dickmann Gives AR-15 to Police Because .....because he is a fuckin' idiot.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-shooting-man-gives-ar-140114808.html

I saw that too.

Wonder if it will end up being auctioned off. That would be hilarious.

I'm thinking it's pretty smart. Who the fuck wants an ar57. He probably can't sell it. But, by 'donating' it to the police department, he can take it as a tax deduction... Full retail...lol

Auctioned off to a FFL who sells it to a creepy 19 year old kid the FBI was warned about.

Check out this text exchange between the shooter and his ex's new man.. No red flags?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/ ... 1932523521

Neither seem to be class individuals. Sad.

There are a lot of calls along the lines of "Why didn't the (FBI, CIA, Trump, Local Police) do something about him?!"
I don't understand how that is possible in most cases. People are weird. People say threatening things all the time.

The danger of living in a free nation is that we don't just yank weird and scary people off the street and into an interrogation chamber. I don't want to live in a society that promises me safety by eliminating all threats.
This guy apparently went past that stage and actually made social media posts threatening to become a mass murderer at a school. Maybe "we" could have done something about this guy, but more than likely he would have been interviewed and the results would probably have been "He's an asshole and probably dangerous, but he hasn't broken enough laws (or the right applicable laws) to arrest him."
Maybe the talk would have worked... Maybe not.

Saying "There were signs before the incident that should have alerted LE" would probably apply to many MANY more than just criminals.
The Las Vegas murderer seems to be a rare exception.

One of the (many) problems with automatically adding every person being treated for a mental health issue to any sort of list or database is that all sorts of disorders and syndromes fall under the "mental health" banner.

Eating disorders are not only considered a mental health issue, they're actually a major category in the mental health spectrum. Does it make sense, either at an individual level or at the administrative level, to flag every bulimia sufferer as a prohibited person? Hoarding is also a form of mental illness, but is someone who fills their house with books inherently dangerous? Claustrophobia is a mental illness. And isn't it possible that even more issues will be added to the "mental health" bucket as time goes on, putting greater numbers of people on the watch list du jour?

Actually making a difference in identifying and helping people with genuine dangerous tendencies (or at least preventing more of them from hurting others) will take a lot of work. People don't like work. People like labels and telling others that they're a victim of something and getting attention. Until people are willing to abandon the easy stuff and commit to the hard stuff, things probably won't change much.

A teacher in Florida gave her thoughts, and they're spot on. This site is kind of a mess but about halfway down the page they print her Facebook post in its entirety. https://rare.us/rare-news/florida-teachers-sincere-response-to-the-murders-of-17-shared-600000-times-and-counting/

another idiot of the day: http://keprtv.com/news/offbeat/is-it-more-important-than-someones-life-man-destroys-ar-15-in-wake-of-florida-shooting



about $150 will fix that, ya dumb fuck!