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Is there a legal standard to measure by? I would guess not, and recusals come as a result of pressure from other sources or self-recusal... Not a measurable standard.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/recusals

Obviously more to that than I know... haha
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If a conflict of interest exists, the judge may recuse herself on her own initiative. In addition, any party in a case may make a motion to require the judge to recuse herself from hearing the case. The initial presiding judge usually determines whether or not the apparent conflict requires her recusal, and the judge's decision is given considerable deference. Some jurisdictions, however, require another judge to decide whether or not the presiding judge should be disqualified. If a judge fails to recuse himself when a direct conflict of interest exists, the judge may later be reprimanded, suspended, or disciplined by the body that oversees Judicial Administration.


Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:30 am
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Almost by definition a Prosecutor is not neutral, right?
Do the same ideas about recusal apply to prosecutors? Yep.

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v. to refuse to be a judge (or for a judge to be requested by one of the parties to step aside) in a lawsuit or appeal because of a conflict of interest or other good reason (acquaintanceship with one of the parties, for example). It also applies to a judge or prosecutor being removed or voluntarily removing himself/herself from a criminal case in which he/she has a conflict of interest, such as friendship or known enmity to the defendant. (See: recusal)


Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:46 am
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Here is a good example of recusal based on mere working relationships, not even personal.

http://www.king5.com/article/news/local ... /492084273

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An investigation by Renton police into an alleged sexual assault by King County Sheriff John Urquhart has been forwarded to the Snohomish County Prosecutor's Office to determine possible charges. The accuser is a former deputy.

The King County Prosecutor's Office is not involved in the case to avoid a conflict of interest.

Snohomish County Prosecutor Mark Roe said he will make the charging decision in the case.


Mueller and Comey used to work together. They are also friends. How can this NOT be a conflict of interest?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/politics/ ... index.html

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https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:21 pm
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"Going to jail for the rest of their lives"......for what???
It's not like they murdered a girl on a SF pier with a cops stolen gun.

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‘Morning Joe’: Trump Team ‘Going to Jail ... for the Rest of Their Lives’

s the "noose" of Robert Mueller's probe into the Trump team's contacts with Russia is "tightening," members of the administration are starting to understand they're going "to jail ... for the rest of their lives," MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski said Tuesday.

"Knowing them, I think they're shocked that the noose is tightening," Brzezinski said. "I don't know if they were arrogant or incredibly un-self aware and really dumb about what the job was about, how important it was, and how under the microscope every move you made would be. I think they just thought they'd go in there and riff through it. And I think they're shocked that the noose is tightening and that people might go to jail."

"You're exactly right," her co-host and fiancé, Joe Scarborough, agreed.

"For the rest of their lives," Brzezinski added, perhaps hopefully.

Trump, Scarborough said, only ran for president as part of a money-making scheme, and did not actually expect to win.

"You know, the campaign — Trump didn't think he was going to win even on Election Day," he said. "But it was all about money. It was all about making contacts. We've said this before. But the most remarkable thing about it is that even now that he's president, it's still all about money. Like, he's not sitting there thinking what Barack Obama or George W. Bush or Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan thought. Like, what is my legacy going to be? He's thinking every day, how can I leverage this so when I get out of the White House I can make even more money?"

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Funny how no one is discussing the Strzok-Page bombshell.

Can we all agree now there are serious doubts about Mueller's team and even himself given that he tried to bury this shocking development?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12 ... =Google+UK

Read the texts. They and Mueller's attempts to hide them are damning. There is no chance at this point that the personnel fired did not contaminate this so called "investigation."

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https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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I have been following. I have contended from Day 1 it's political bullshit driven. Guess what? It's political bullshit driven. So dense, we'll need the diamond tip chain on the chainsaw to cut through it.

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Yeah, they need to shut it down. It's clearly tainted, and it was born of bogus intel to start with. Nothing good will come of allowing it to continue. And I say this as a guy who couldn't even bring myself to vote for Trump. I don't like him, but he is being treated extremely unfairly.


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Nope. I agree with Rosenstein, and even tillerson on this. Colluding with Russia is treasonous in my book, and it's imperative to find how deep it goes.


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Duke EB wrote:
Nope. I agree with Rosenstein, and even tillerson on this. Colluding with Russia is treasonous in my book, and it's imperative to find how deep it goes.



Your book probably needs a little work. Especially if you are ok with FBI agents planning to prevent election of a selected candidate.

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Nope. I agree with Rosenstein, and even tillerson on this. Colluding with Russia is treasonous in my book, and it's imperative to find how deep it goes.



Your book probably needs a little work. Especially if you are ok with FBI agents planning to prevent election of a selected candidate.

Nope, my book is fine. i'm just not using the lens of ultra partisanship to read my book.
don't get me wrong, I do not hope for Trump to fail. For the sake of the 2a, I hope he succeeds. I don't believe there is anything to impeach him for either.
But the investigation must and will continue.


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The collusion of the FBI with plans to prevent trump from being elected and plans for "if" he gets elected makes Watergate seem like a child's play.

Are you guys paying attention? Did you see the text back and forth? Holy moly!

Heads are gonna roll.

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Duke EB wrote:
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Nope. I agree with Rosenstein, and even tillerson on this. Colluding with Russia is treasonous in my book, and it's imperative to find how deep it goes.



Your book probably needs a little work. Especially if you are ok with FBI agents planning to prevent election of a selected candidate.

Nope, my book is fine. i'm just not using the lens of ultra partisanship to read my book.
don't get me wrong, I do not hope for Trump to fail. For the sake of the 2a, I hope he succeeds. I don't believe there is anything to impeach him for either.
But the investigation must and will continue.

Did you read the texts? The ones about finding a way to end Trump's presidency before they were even working on this it had any official reason to even be interested in it?

Those combined with Mueller's attempts to hide them poison the whole inquiry.

Before you were arguing that just because Mueller hired democrats and democrat donors and activists doesn't mean they are biased. Now, when they get caught secretly admitting their bias and even plotting a sort of coup against POTUS you are still OK with it?
Mueller has no problem leaking anti Trump info his team is working on but he tried to hide these. That makes him almost as bad as these text authors.

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https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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These people are no longer in the investigation. The investigation will continue.


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These people are no longer in the investigation. The investigation will continue.

We have no idea how much they contributed and how much they poisoned the investigation.

It's wholly tainted now. Mueller's attempts to conceal this when he was happy to leak other info that made Trump look bad or put perceived pressure on Flynn or Manafort proves Mueller is also untrustworthy and hypocritical, as well as proving political motivation on his part.

At the very least we now need a 2nd special counsel to investigate Mueller and his team as many Republicans have already called for.

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If you vote for Biden you are voting to be murdered when he sends Beto to come take your "semi automatic assault weapon" (any semi auto).
If you have family or friends voting for Biden show them this and ask if they are willing to vote for your murder or maybe even their own if they are gun owners or live with any.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/
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“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.”

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738
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[Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them"


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So where to now? It seems like we're down in a rabbit hole.

President Trump promised to drain the swamp... Is this (the anti-Trumpism and legal maneuvers) the way the swamp fights back? Does President Trump have members of the swamp on his cabinet or in too-powerful positions in his administration?

What do we expect from Mueller and his team?
We should have a flowchart of YES-NO / TRUE-FALSE paths through this quagmire.

At the top of the chart could be "Did Trump Violate Federal Law / Collude with Russia"
Neither side of that flowchart would be short, but I am curious as to just how far both sides go and what steps are coming up.


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