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Jonathan Brown wrote:
Caricatures or sketches of dicks remind me of Trump. So shoot me. :)

So, you wasted your vote. Understtod. Oh, sorry. Thats for another topic.

Hillary won WA, so it would appear you did, too. But yes, that's not relevant to the topic. Glad you are catching on!


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Guns4Liberty wrote:
Jonathan Brown wrote:
Caricatures or sketches of dicks remind me of Trump. So shoot me. :)

So, you wasted your vote. Understtod. Oh, sorry. Thats for another topic.

Hillary won WA, so it would appear you did, too. But yes, that's not relevant to the topic. Glad you are catching on!


That some pretty interesting logic. Where'd ya learn that?

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Think it was stupid,should have know they would get caught.Hope penalty is community service and it dosent hurt their careers.A good ass chewing is already coming their way I would think

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Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:31 pm
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Sometimes things like that are accidental.

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Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:38 pm
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saw this one on the illustrious facebook


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I think it's both hilarious and awesome. Yes they should get in trouble, but nothing serious. Can't have people doing this all the time.


Exactly this. If ask people to be fighters and to be willing to kill another human being in battle, we can't ask them to be milquetoasts every other day. That's some expert-level risk taking, if you ask me. Zero danger to anyone but the pilot.


Risk to himself
Risk to very expensive military hardware - himself and the aircraft
Risk to other aircraft perhaps
Risk to anyone on the ground if the plane breaks up or crashes

Yeah, I get it. I'm not being a stick in the mud.

It's like walking into a professional room and telling racist or sexist joke. Nobody really gets hurt but it's in extremely poor taste and unprofessional. You just can't do those things.
yeah man I'm shocked that jet didn't rip apart in those super mega extreme 15g maneuvers!!!!

What the guy did was as risky as kicking a car sideways turning at a a light, or jumping off a a truck bed.

Yeah it wasn't very professional.

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I tell you what, members of the gun community must have a hard time buying sunglasses, or even glasses for that matter. Talk about a bunch of folks with their noses bent out of shape.

I for one thing it is impressive that our pilots can fly well enough to do something like this. Shows we have guys who know how to handle their ride. It is a giant dick shaped chemtrail. It isn't like it is permanent, after enough blowing of the wind it will disappear. If the pilot then decided to air draw two boobs and and dick shooting a load toward the boobs, then yeah I can see where a line would be crossed. Are dicks that offensive? If you are that offended by an air penis go seek out your local safe space.

It's funny.


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You know what, I bet he was flying that by the seat of his pants. Nobody calling out when to turn. It's great skills. Props to him.


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Jonathan Brown wrote:
Caricatures or sketches of dicks remind me of Trump. So shoot me. :)

So, you wasted your vote. Understood. Oh, sorry. Thats for another topic.


Unfortunately, every topic you seem to comment on ends up with you making it about Trump.

Really, we all get you don't like Trump. Endlessly looking for ways you can twist things to be about Trump gets old. We get it, you don't like him.

Sometimes you just need to move on....this is one of those times.

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I don't often agree with your comments or perspectives, but can appreciate a thorough debate! I will offer a little more insight to your earlier post:

Risk to himself-
There is inherent risk to anything. But in this case, you seem to portray that there was a heightened risk in this event. No, these are standard maneuvers that can be flown in any general aviation aircraft. Look over the Lake Tapps area on any sunny day. There are numerous flight schools doing similar maneuvers (minus the contrails and fancy design!) training flight students. I hardly think that the operating envelope was close to being exceeded for the F-18 or any other high performance military jet. Admittedly, there is far greater risk in other mission profiles.

Risk to very expensive military hardware - himself and the aircraft. See above.

Risk to other aircraft perhaps-
Perhaps not. The aircraft was in a designated area of special use airspace. Allows for high speed and maneuvering flight. See Military Operations Area- Okanogan MOA A.

Risk to anyone on the ground if the plane breaks up or crashes-
Any machine can break and crash. I would offer that this profile over a rural area of WA in the mountains at 9,000-18,000 feet Mean Sea Level is far safer than the Blue Angels summer performance over Seattle and Lake Washington.

Yeah, I get it. I'm not being a stick in the mud-
I would disagree! There will be an investigation as usual and the command will impose the level of punishment that they see fit. I have read a few of your previous message threads and quite clear that you have a strong disdain for military members screwing up.

It's like walking into a professional room and telling racist or sexist joke. Nobody really gets hurt but it's in extremely poor taste and unprofessional. You just can't do those things-
It is clearly not right, but it happened. In non professional settings, off color jokes will continue to be told and I will continue to laugh at the good ones. Even the one liners on this thread are hilarious! Lastly, I commonly see far worse behavior in downtown Tacoma and Seattle that I would have a more difficult time explaining to young children than the skywriting event.


A few points of dispute.

1. No, I do not have distain for military members. I call balls and strikes with a fair and reasonable mindedness. Hell, I represent military members accused of crimes and have done so in perhaps hundreds of legal cases, with an incredible rate of success.

2. Crashing during a legit military maneuver is far different than crashing while joking around drawing a dick figure in the air. Such assessments are called "Line of Duty" investigations, or looked at in a "Detour or Frolic" assessment, etc. Were you legitimately working or were you screwing around when you crashed that $30,000,000 piece of hardware? This isn't Top Gun where flybies are a joking matter. If you don't understand the simple appearances of such a stunt, nobody can explain it to you.

3. As a professional former military officer and an attorney, I can easily compartmentalize good and bad decisions, and personal humor with professional duties and obligations. I understand many don't have that mental ability. Fine. I don't personally care about this topic, but I can absolutely understand how as a professional pilot you would be grounded and investigated. Ya just can't do these things. Like posting nudie pictures at home vs. at work. Or telling off-color jokes with friends or in the workplace. There is a bright line distinction of your personal or professional behavior. You may not see it, but I do. And it's supported by perhaps reading now thousands of military justice cases, advising well in excess of a thousand clients, thousands of investigations, etc.

I have a case right now where a top rated medical surgeon was a bit too touchy feely at work. Momentary shoulder rubs or casual work place hugging to female co-workers. His purely innocent friendly behavior has been entirely misconstrued as assault. It's an upside down world. But you just can't behave that way in the military or workplace. Been going on a 2 year fight to keep his medical license and save his career. He's probably lost $50,000 in professional pay and legal fees and is facing some 7 adverse actions... we've won two of them but there are 5 pending.

I PERSONALLY would hate for this military pilot to suffer any consequences. But I PROFESSIONALLY understand it likely will. Hence, extremely poor judgement on his part. What part of his brain thought this was a good idea?

In this pilot's case, it's not surprising to me, the news is reporting:
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"The actions of this aircrew were wholly unacceptable and antithetical to Navy core values. We have grounded the aircrew and are conducting a thorough investigation - and we will hold those responsible accountable for their actions," the Navy told Fox News in a statement.

A fairly predictable result. I would not be at all surprised if this act puts the brakes on this pilots careers, in the short term, or ends his career entirely.

So your "personal" opinion that this was okay or funny or whatever is entirely irrelevant to the views of professional superiors and this abysmal bad pilot judgement and lack of understanding of atmospherics and situational awareness. I don't make the rules, but I just understand them. Shame this pilot didn't.

As a commentary for folks who never served, or don't have much/any exposure to the military, it can be culture shock. It is extreme discipline that most can't operate under. For example, a Marine who urinated on the corpses of ISIS or AQ (irrelevant) was prosecuted and convicted. His case was recently overturned for technicalities, but that is an example of how the military just does NOT tolerate these stunts.

So, again, yeah, to the guys here in their 20s - 60s sure, it's humourous. But you're not the bulk of Americans. Nor are you military leaders getting 500 complaining emails and phone calls, or a visit from your Congressman who you answer to, who tells you to do something about this.

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Nitrosteve wrote:
A mother who lives in Okanogan who took pictures of the drawings reached out to KREM 2 to complain about the images, saying she was upset she might have to explain to her young children what the drawings were.

In a statement to KREM 2 News navy officials said, "The Navy holds its aircrew to the highest standards and we find this absolutely unacceptable, of zero training value and we are holding the crew accountable."

KREM 2 spoke to the Federal Aviation Administration to get some information about who may have made the drawings. FAA officials said unless the act poses a safety risk, there is nothing they can do about. The official said they "cannot police morality."


If her kids are over the age of 5 they probably leave drawings like this all over the restroom walls at their school. Crayola, Magic Marker, or scratched in the paint.

One of the kids probably told her "dad has one of those only a lot smaller" and that's what pissed her off. :bigsmile:

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And the Blue Angels don't take risks?
With wing tips 12" away from each other... that seems just a little risky to me. :wink05:

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And the Blue Angels don't take risks?
With wing tips 12" away from each other... that seems just a little risky to me. :wink05:


Context. Permission. Official authorization. Legit purpose. Folks who may complain in one instance and may not in another.

If I grab woman's boob it can be consensual or assault. See the difference?

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LC,
So is your position that because the Blue Angels have authorization and approval, that there is less risk flying at 250 knots low level, in formation and acrobatic flight over major metropolitan areas than at altitude within a designated Military Operations Area?

You can't be serious.


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