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 What is going on with my Puppy? Any vets on the board? 
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Bear with me, this shit is about to get loooooong winded..

Description of Episode:

Sudden burst of a crazy amount of energy which lasts about 30-45 minutes. Literally runs laps around my entire yard at full speed, jumping over toys, obstacles and wants to play. Then its almost like his body just "short circuits" so to speak, this leads to him walking around almost like he drunk and then is followed by drowsiness where he sleeps for a few hours. After a nap, he wakes up and is just fine which is fucking puzzling.


Back on 8-1 I adopted a Lab-German Short hair- Beagle mix from a local shelter and for the first week everything was golden. He's up to date on his shots, and got a clean bill of health on my initial vet visit.

On 8-12 he had an episode which at first looked like a reaction to an ingested Toxin, had blood work, Blood Sugar testing, Organ testing and a toxicology test ran which all came back complete clear. The vet kept him on IV's for 7 hours, then he came home and was absolutely fine. Vet though since I had a veggie garden he might have gotten into it. I fenced it off and moved on.

Then on 8-19 another episode. Took him into Blue Pearl in Renton (Dog care "Specialists") and they ran a bile acid test, checked his blood sugars and everything again came back clear. I was there for 4 hours, we were discharged and he was fine. This time the vet thought he was eating random plants or bushes that I had around that was making him sick, so damn near every bush not fenced off in my garden was removed. She said if it happened again to take him to a Neurologist.

On 9-2 yet another episode, but not nearly as bad. I made an appointment with a neurologist for 9-6, she did her testing and said she couldn't figure out what the issue was. She said to watch him closely and to call her if he had another issue.

Yesterday he had another issue and I have a call into her to see what the next steps might be either medication, MRI or both.

Has anyone ever owned a dog that has had something like this happen? Its almost like he's an Epileptic but its not a seizure he is having. No foaming, no loss of bowel, no biting, no drooling or aggressiveness. He eats like a damn mule, is gaining weight, is getting big, and takes normal giant shits in my yard like a puppy his size. Ive taken him to 3 different vets and nobody has an answer. I'm stumped on why there is so much time between episodes. There is nothing in my back yard that he could be getting into that's making him sick.

Here is the link to the Youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W28amwBksCc

Thanks fellas..

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Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:34 am
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Myasthnia Graveis ??



just before the video cut it looked like he was about to fall over. blood work should be able to pull this

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I suspect Vestibular disorder/disease.

http://vestibular.org/understanding-ves ... r/symptoms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcX0-UWig1s

It hit my dog hard, and lasted about 10 days. I'd look into that. Seems that medications and time cured it.

Your puppy has some of the same wobbliness and dizziness symptoms. The rocking back and forth is a tell-tale sign from my singular experience. My dog did exactly that rocking motion and had the same vertigo symptoms.

Get well little guy.

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Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:22 am
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cmica wrote:
Myasthnia Graveis ??



just before the video cut it looked like he was about to fall over. blood work should be able to pull this



Ya they tested for this, no dice.

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Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:25 am
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Giving him treats?
Neighbor HAD a pup with somewhat same description.
Few hundred $'s in vet bills to two different vets and they found nothing and said he would probably grow out of it.
Long story short, dog died from what they finally found out allergic to something in a treat they were giving for potty outside and other training. By the time they finally figured out what it was, it's organs were damaged.
Broke his wife's heart thinking she killed the pup, they will never get another pet now.


Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:32 am
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At first we thought it might be a food or treat issue so we switched to all natural ones. Once it happened again we switched foods again, and it happened a 3rd time.

@Lead I brought the Vestibular potential up to the vets, but they all said they were fairly certain that was not it.

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Get full blood work done.
Runs me $300 when I have it done, just the full samples and not visit..
After I lost my last one due to liver failure that could have been caught before it was too late, mine now gets full blood work done once a year.
But..... maybe schedule appointment at a time when you can get him to run around and play, then get blood drawn.
Might be something as simple as a gland not putting out enough of something and full exercise uses up what's in his system, and needs some recovery time afterwards.
Regardless, he's in good hands, and hope he gets better.


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Get full blood work done.
Runs me $300 when I have it done, just the full samples and not visit..
After I lost my last one due to liver failure that could have been caught before it was too late, mine now gets full blood work done once a year.
But..... maybe schedule appointment at a time when you can get him to run around and play, then get blood drawn.
Might be something as simple as a gland not putting out enough of something and full exercise uses up what's in his system, and needs some recovery time afterwards.
Regardless, he's in good hands, and hope he gets better.



They did a full blood work screen twice looking for any toxins, blood sugar levels, and bile acid levels in his stomach to determine if he had liver or kidney disease.

Nothing.

Three different vets all are stumped, two of which are "specialists". I called the place where I got him from, and the other 4 puppies are all absolutely fine with zero issues. I explained what happened, and she is insisting on putting together a go fund me through her organization to help assist with the vet bills I have had to deal with.

So I guess that's good.

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Well, damn dude......
I'd be leaning towards having him 'short circuit' and have his blood drawn then, while or after his episode.
At least then they have a more accurate analysis during his episodes.
Really hope he gets better, dogs are better than people.....
I have a young Basset Hound that's succeeding in kicking all the bark in the yard out in the street from doing laps in the yard right now. I swear she just likes to see the rooster tail of bark spraying everywhere..
But all of my hounds did that when a puppy, yet once calmed back down they acted normal, for a puppy, an will run laps again if chased to get the legs pumping again.


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Random questions...

In the video he is favoring his left front foot. Is this consistent, or just how he was leaning during that quick video?

I see the weaving, and it looks vestibular or neurological. Have you noticed if the hind legs are any more affected than the front legs?

On the other hand, he appears to be snapping around at pain in the trunk/hindquarters before yelping and running.

Poor fella - you can see he is scared. Keep us informed.


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PTmorgan wrote:
Random questions...

In the video he is favoring his left front foot. Is this consistent, or just how he was leaning during that quick video? This was really the first time he has done that

I see the weaving, and it looks vestibular or neurological. Have you noticed if the hind legs are any more affected than the front legs? Its all legs. The neurologist tested his extremities by poking, prodding and moving them and everything was fine

On the other hand, he appears to be snapping around at pain in the trunk/hindquarters before yelping and running.
Poor fella - you can see he is scared. Keep us informed.

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STED9R wrote:
Well, damn dude......
I'd be leaning towards having him 'short circuit' and have his blood drawn then, while or after his episode.
At least then they have a more accurate analysis during his episodes.
Really hope he gets better, dogs are better than people.....
I have a young Basset Hound that's succeeding in kicking all the bark in the yard out in the street from doing laps in the yard right now. I swear she just likes to see the rooster tail of bark spraying everywhere..
But all of my hounds did that when a puppy, yet once calmed back down they acted normal, for a puppy, an will run laps again if chased to get the legs pumping again.


Ya its crazy. He goes from 0 to 100mph in two minutes, than back down to 0

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My sister is a veterinary surgeon. I just texted her your op. Will let you know asap when I hear back from her.

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I know there is a reluctance to dispense antibiotics if they can't identify the issue, but have they put him on any powerful anti biotics. Perhaps he has some infection that they can't figure out but needs to be dealt with?

Perhaps get him tested for any allergies?

Look for any other environmental issues that could cause this. You already addressed plants, but is he getting into anything indoors or outside? In the garage? Pesticides, grass fertilizer, car coolant, etc.

Is a neighbor poisoning him slowly?

Eating lead paint chips off an old structure? Drinking bad water? Maybe his plastic food bowls are leaching toxins?

Watch him constantly and see that he doesn't get into anything.

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Here's my thought process on this:

The twisting, looking behind and yelping, the sudden surge of activity, sitting and not standing makes me think that he has a pinched nerve in his spine. I've seen this behavior before with this issue. If the pinched nerve is in his neck, then the front legs could be affected as well - that's why I asked if the front legs are acting abnormal as well. However, he probably wouldn't be able to twist his neck around so well if it was in his neck.

Second thought: When he is sitting still, he is weaving - ataxic. That's more of a central nervous system thing. Watch your puppy's eyes. See if his eyes are twitching to the side, if he is making steady eye contact, turning his head side to side smoothly. Does he get more weaving when he turns his head?

These are things that help the vet narrow down the problem. Imaging will probably be needed if they don't think it's a metabolic problem.


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