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2017-2018 NFL Trash Talk Thread
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KeystoneCowboy
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Uh...... (John) Ross is a wide receiver drafted from UofW and is the fastest player to ever play in the NFL. Had a RECORDED time of like 4.18 or similar, just under the 4.2 threshold. There have been rumors kf a few guys being faster, but no one had ever got a recorded time from.
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Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:56 am |
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L_O_G
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leadcounsel wrote: With the rules of the 70s or 80s in place, I'd say the 1984/85 Bears or the 1984 or 1989 '49ers or the 1972 Dolphins (no real super stars but the only undefeated team in the history of the league), or the 1986 or 1990 NY Giants, or the 83 Redskins would take any team today, magically in their prime and on the same playing field of course.
Completely disagree. Penalties and rough play are one thing, but the players of today are bigger, stronger, faster and comparing their athleticism to one another would be like comparing Apples to Beans. Same could be said of any pro sports teams comparing current ones to past. The equipment is better, they are better athletes, and they dedicate their life to it. Back in the day the players played as a part time gig, these days its pretty much year round. Side note: BO Jackson was my favorite players as a kid, and I was actually at the Kingdome when he ran over the Boz. He ran a 4.12 40 in college, but it was hand timed and deemed unofficial.
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Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:25 am |
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Jonathan Brown
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leadcounsel wrote: Okay, I'll weigh in on teams of the 1970s/80s/90s era vs. today.
You take the best teams of those eras and the modern era teams wouldn't stand a chance, playing with the rules of those eras, when MEN had to be MEN.
Today, the offense has so many advantages it's not even interesting anymore.
When Elway threw for 300 yards it was a big story. Now, 300 yard passing games are fairly average. And I guarantee it's not because the receivers and QBs are better, b/c keep in mind the DBs are faster now too.
But let's look at the BEST athletes produced in modern v. a few decades.
There simply is no equivalent to Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Reggie White or Bruce Smith, Dick Butkus, Mike Singleterry, Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, and so many others versus today.
Yeah, there are modern fantastic athletes, but there's no way the QBs or RBs of today would take the punishment Montana did. Or Randall Cunningham. Or McMahon. And so forth. They were tough athletes, who could QB. Or RBs like Payton who in 13 season was *forced* against his will to sit out one game. And when he had the flu he broke and held for a long time the single game rushing record of 275 yds. Long list of the greatest, and it won't include the modern eras of players no matter how many records they break. It's become a rigged game, with cookie cutter QBs who the defense can't touch. And that makes the running game so much easier for the offense too. Modern RBs can't hold a candle to the greats in the past.
You show me a modern RB that would outperform or even challenge Payton, Brown, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, or Bo Jackson and I'll be impressed. Bo Jackson might be the fastest player to ever play in the NFL, or darn near close. I think he ran a 4.15 forty yard dash. I don't think there's a player in the league today that fast, but maybe the rare DB. And recall the game against the Seahawks were Bo ran over Bosworth?! You just couldn't tackle him. Shannon Sharp came on the tail end of those great eras to be the among the best tight ends of all time. The NFL players of the 80s and 90s were the pinnacle of the sport. And those offenses didn't have all the protections today, and were playing against monsters on defense. Are there badder linebackers than Lawrence Taylor, Kevin Greene, Jack Ham, Mike Singletary,Cornelius Bennett, or badder DEs than Reggie White or Bruce Smith or Ed Jones, or Decon Jones or Richard Dent...? I doubt it. Those men would ****** kill you. Is there a better DB today than Deon Sanders, Rod Woodson, Mike Haynes, Willie Brown, Mel Blount, Darrell Green, or Lem Barney?
For better or worse, a lot of careers were ended early because the game was so viciously hard. But it's not the patty cakes of today. It's not even the same game anymore. It's nearly touch football with the QB. Saw a "late hit" on the KC QB tonight (sitting at a bar eating a hamburger, the game was the only thing on, saw 1 quarter) that would never have been a penalty when I was growing up. Pathetic.
With the rules of the 70s or 80s in place, I'd say the 1984/85 Bears or the 1984 or 1989 '49ers or the 1972 Dolphins (no real super stars but the only undefeated team in the history of the league), or the 1986 or 1990 NY Giants, or the 83 Redskins would take any team today, magically in their prime and on the same playing field of course. Today's athletes are faster and stronger. There is PARITY. Today there are only 3 or 4 bad teams. In those old days half the league was pretty bad. Players are more skilled at their positions. The rule changes forced them to attain more skills as they cannot just rely on "beating up" the other guy. SCHEMES have changed. Computers and analytics are everywhere now. Training facilities are high tech. Treatment of injuries has lept out of the stone age. Today's game relies on finesse and technique much more. The 2013 Seahawks would wipe the field with those old teams. The Legion of Boom would have eaten Jim McMahon alive. So would any of the latest Patriot SB teams. Or Broncos. Not even close. And Bo Jackson wouldn't run over Bobby Wagner, or Luke Kuechly. Nope. wouldn't happen. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady are every bit as good or better than the QB's you named. Today's linemen are way larger and faster. On both sides of the ball. Objection Overruled. Baseball is a different story altogether.
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Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:41 am |
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L_O_G
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Well as for baseball......I don't know of many players back in the day that were the size of Aaron Judge or Giancarlo Stanton. Guys that size back then were centers in the NBA
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Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:46 am |
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leadcounsel
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L_O_G wrote: leadcounsel wrote: With the rules of the 70s or 80s in place, I'd say the 1984/85 Bears or the 1984 or 1989 '49ers or the 1972 Dolphins (no real super stars but the only undefeated team in the history of the league), or the 1986 or 1990 NY Giants, or the 83 Redskins would take any team today, magically in their prime and on the same playing field of course.
Completely disagree. Penalties and rough play are one thing, but the players of today are bigger, stronger, faster and comparing their athleticism to one another would be like comparing Apples to Beans. Same could be said of any pro sports teams comparing current ones to past. The equipment is better, they are better athletes, and they dedicate their life to it. Back in the day the players played as a part time gig, these days its pretty much year round. Side note: BO Jackson was my favorite players as a kid, and I was actually at the Kingdome when he ran over the Boz. He ran a 4.12 40 in college, but it was hand timed and deemed unofficial. Man of the dozen or two games in history I'd love to have seen that would have been one of them. What a cool experience. It's an interesting thought exercise. It's certainly true that humans/athletes have indeed overall gotten larger, faster, and better at skilled positions than in the past. Every sport demonstrates that from swimming to sprinting to weight lifting, etc. It's the natural progression. As for the size, speed, athleticism, the lure of big NFL money absolutely brings out more applicants who start training at younger ages. But there is a human cap at what sizes are practical at the positions, and how fast humans can run. But I suspect if you took the best teams from the 70s-90s and compared them position vs position against today, you'd find them remarkably close. Then it comes down to toughness and you can't convince me that the teams today produce more tough men as of those eras when they beat each other down. If anything it would be fascinating to watch - a sorta "Madden classic" matchup of the 85 Bears and the 2013 Seahawks. My money would be on the Bears of course.
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KeystoneCowboy
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leadcounsel wrote: L_O_G wrote: leadcounsel wrote: With the rules of the 70s or 80s in place, I'd say the 1984/85 Bears or the 1984 or 1989 '49ers or the 1972 Dolphins (no real super stars but the only undefeated team in the history of the league), or the 1986 or 1990 NY Giants, or the 83 Redskins would take any team today, magically in their prime and on the same playing field of course.
Completely disagree. Penalties and rough play are one thing, but the players of today are bigger, stronger, faster and comparing their athleticism to one another would be like comparing Apples to Beans. Same could be said of any pro sports teams comparing current ones to past. The equipment is better, they are better athletes, and they dedicate their life to it. Back in the day the players played as a part time gig, these days its pretty much year round. Side note: BO Jackson was my favorite players as a kid, and I was actually at the Kingdome when he ran over the Boz. He ran a 4.12 40 in college, but it was hand timed and deemed unofficial. Man of the dozen or two games in history I'd love to have seen that would have been one of them. What a cool experience. It's an interesting thought exercise. It's certainly true that humans/athletes have indeed overall gotten larger, faster, and better at skilled positions than in the past. Every sport demonstrates that from swimming to sprinting to weight lifting, etc. It's the natural progression. As for the size, speed, athleticism, the lure of big NFL money absolutely brings out more applicants who start training at younger ages. But there is a human cap at what sizes are practical at the positions, and how fast humans can run. But I suspect if you took the best teams from the 70s-90s and compared them position vs position against today, you'd find them remarkably close. Then it comes down to toughness and you can't convince me that the teams today produce more tough men as of those eras when they beat each other down. If anything it would be fascinating to watch - a sorta "Madden classic" matchup of the 85 Bears and the 2013 Seahawks. My money would be on the Bears of course. Its not much of a thought exercise if your mind is made up and resolute.
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Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 pm |
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NWGunner
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Does this mean you'll stop bashing people who talk about sports, 'cause, well, you're kinda doing it.
After 87 times of 'this is my last post on the subject...'
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Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:42 pm |
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Jonathan Brown
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Seahawks and Giants sunday!
Go Hawks!
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Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:26 am |
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edogg
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Seems people aren’t showing up to the games anymore...as I understand it, even the lousy teams typically fill the stadium. Seahawks tickets have always been a hot commodity as long as I can remember. Even in the years where an 8-8 record was a good season for them. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... -7-photos/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Wish I could have watched today's game. Seems like it was a typical Seahawks 2nd half comeback. My new kitchen doesn't have any view out to the dining area, so I can't see the TVs unless I go out there. I saw it was 7-0 Giants with a minute left in the 1st half, then next time I go out there, it's 24-7 Seahawks, and they're running out the clock. Go Hawks
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L_O_G
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edogg wrote: Seems people aren’t showing up to the games anymore...as I understand it, even the lousy teams typically fill the stadium. Seahawks tickets have always been a hot commodity as long as I can remember. Even in the years where an 8-8 record was a good season for them. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... -7-photos/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Funny thing about that article is that they posted pics of the stands from games where shit teams were playing. Dolphins, Jets, Browns, Colts, Bears etc.. All of those teams wont make the playoffs.
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edogg wrote: Seems people aren’t showing up to the games anymore...as I understand it, even the lousy teams typically fill the stadium. Seahawks tickets have always been a hot commodity as long as I can remember. Even in the years where an 8-8 record was a good season for them. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... -7-photos/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Did I see something different yesterday? It looked to me that the Giants stadium was full?
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:07 am |
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L_O_G
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AR15L wrote: edogg wrote: Seems people aren’t showing up to the games anymore...as I understand it, even the lousy teams typically fill the stadium. Seahawks tickets have always been a hot commodity as long as I can remember. Even in the years where an 8-8 record was a good season for them. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... -7-photos/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Did I see something different yesterday? It looked to me that the Giants stadium was full? It was.. Here is the 2017 attendance stats so far.
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:21 am |
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MadPick
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WTF, 116%??
That makes all of those numbers suspect, in my book. Can we deduct at least 16 from all of the numbers?
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NWGunner
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AR15L wrote: edogg wrote: Seems people aren’t showing up to the games anymore...as I understand it, even the lousy teams typically fill the stadium. Seahawks tickets have always been a hot commodity as long as I can remember. Even in the years where an 8-8 record was a good season for them. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... -7-photos/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Did I see something different yesterday? It looked to me that the Giants stadium was full? I think L_O_G makes a good point....crap teams. Gateway Pundit is a conservative site, so they are going to support the 'NFL is in trouble because they disrespect the flag' mantra, and liberal sites are going to support the 'go NFL players & anti-Trump' mantra... Both sides could come up with 8 or 10 stadium pics to support the death, or health, of the NFL. It has a PR problem in some cities, and it's working to address that with the players (they just met last week in NY). It's not quite the untouchable entity it once was, but it's demise is nowhere in sight.
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