If you train officers to see EVERYTHING as a threat, what do you expect? I'm not reaching for my coffee to take a sip, I'm picking up a scalding hot liquid to throw at you... That's not a cellphone I'm using to record you, it's a gun designed as a cellphone. That's not a cigarette he was pulling out of his breast pocket, he was reaching for a gun...etc etc.

How many INNOCENT people have to die so Officer Joe Blow can 'go home at night'?

I'd much rather see a cop killed because he waited than see a news story every other week about some dude that got shot/killed because he was watering his neighbors lawn, or trying to figure out who was trespassing in his backyard. THEY SIGNED UP FOR IT!! Sucks, shit happens, whatever you wanna call it, I'd rather NO ONE die, or get injured/shot/whathaveyou, but if you're asking me to err on the side of police or innocent people, you think it's OK for innocent people to get shot 'because officer safety'?

Where does this 'officer safety' end?




Oh, you mean like the guy who said he had a gun, threatened to shoot me, then reached for his glovebox? Yup, TPD asked me why I didn't shoot him, she indicated that she would have. The fact was, I didn't see a weapon, and the guy was probably a blowhard. Had I seen a pistol, the butt of a revolver, etc. then I would have shot. I set a CLEAR line in the sand, and it was 'omgz split second decision', and thankfully that line was never crossed..



I agree with this, there's a bunch of BS rhetoric coming from the black community, that includes not wanting to take responsibility for their actions, blaming others for their misdeeds, making excuses for behavior, etc. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't officers that 'earn' their vitriol.




'Comply or die' is not part of the American Dream, and should in no way be acceptable except in the most extreme of circumstances.

Just because an officer was found not guilty in a criminal trial does NOT mean he acted correctly, morally, or with good judgement.

I'll say it again, as I've said it before...

Cops in the United States have greater legal protection than guards at Auschwitz did. Cops can say 'I was following orders/policies/procedures/etc'....Auschwitz guards didn't have such protection.

No, I'm not saying OMGZ COPZ R WORZ THAN NAZI!! I'm merely pointing it out and hopefully start asking yourself why that is... Qualified immunity? get rid of it. Nazi guards didn't have it, American cops shouldn't either.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but tire of your constant anti-cop rhetoric. Advocating cops getting killed, using false narratives and fabricated facts (or unsupported by any link - when was someone killed by a cop for watering his lawn?) and cops having more protections than guards at Aushwitz? A German Soldier in Aushwitz could rape or kill without any repercussion. We in American put cops on trial often for alleged murder. Most are exonerated by a jury and some are convicted. This is what BLM does as well.

You even admitted above I encourage you to actually read Officer Yanez's testimony summary. He saw Castile reaching for a pistol and could see his hand on it and could see the pistol. So you're pretty much in the same camp as the officer you're so critical of.

Do you think anyone is compelled by your arguments? This is why you lack credibility in my opinion, because of these nonsense statements.

LOL

Evidence of what?



Really? Of course you'd say that. God forbid you take my statement in context, instead it's OMGZ HE WANTS COPS KILLED. Clearly, that's not what I said, go reread it.



Glad you asked...

From the police 'forced to open fire'... because he was watering his neighbors lawn and had a water nozzle in his hand...





Cops can say 'I was following orders/procedures/etc' and have qualified immunity, which means they can't be held liable for their actions. Hell, even the fucking COOKS @ Auschwitz were charged with accessory to murder.... But a cop can say 'I thought I was doing the right thing' and *poof* no problem.

A Deaf woodcarver is shot, cop says 'he had a knife'....*poof* qualified immunity....



Not sure how you messed up my quote or misused the img tags but I'll leave it...

His story changed...of course AFTER the fact you get coaching from your defense attorney and union. Shit, even with the guy got shot watering his neighbors lawn, you REALLY think the guy 'took a 2 handed shooting stance' like the officers said he did? That's bullshit. It's the ONLY thing they could come up with to even remotely justify the shooting.



Potato, Tomato...

I'm not anti-cop, I'm pro liberty.

I've given kudos to cops when they've deserved it, and I will be critical of them when they deserve it....

Oh, and, I have friends who are cops....

More hyperbole. Gets tiresome.

Summary of the Douglas Zerby incident. Highly intoxicated man, a stranger in the neighborhood, with a BAC nearly fatal at 0.42, was reported as playing with a revolver in the back yard of an Los Angeles Long Beach area apartment complex, and pointing it around. That was a hoze nozzle but mistaken to be a handgun. LBPD officers arrived. He was reportedly pointing the nozzle at officers who fatally shot him, believing it was a handgun.

The shooting was investigated by the Long Beach Police Department, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Justice System of Integrity Division, and the Los Angeles County coroner's office. In November 2011, the Los Angeles County district attorney's office declined to file charges against Ortiz and Shurtleff in the shooting, citing that they acted in self-defense. The decision led to protests in Long Beach.

I suppose next we'll discuss Michael Brown and Freddie Gray?

You two should get a room, or go Thunder Dome it out.

You mean the fox guarding the henhouse says other foxes had to eat the hens in self defense?

Do you understand the repercussions to an agency that admits fault? They might as well be signing over a million dollar check....

Yup, always love how the police manage to dig up some dirt on someone to justify their overreaction... Well, he was drunk, so, clearly it was a good shoot...



Resisting arrest after a strongarm robbery? Running from police with a known spinal injury? LOL. Get real, you know those aren't cases where the cops did anything wrong... Not gonna take it...

That would require 2 men enter, so I'd be standing in the thunder dome by myself..

Yes, that's just a little joke..

I'm not upset at at all, I respect Leadcounsel and his opinions (I'm really shitty at remembering real names, sorry).

I hope that people understand, just because I believe in something, or take sides on an issue, doesn't mean I can't agree to disagree, say 'fuck it', laugh about it, and share a beer later on...

If I didn't respect the people here, I wouldn't bother to waste my time voicing my opinion.

At the end of the day, we won't always agree with each other, but I'll still respect your opinions... Even if they're wrong..

... and the same goes for me giving a good natured ribbing, I don't mind getting a little shit for giving a little shit, but realize it's exactly that, good natured ribbing... Not everything translates well into text and we have our own biases and let that impact the message and determine its intent. My intent isn't to talk shit, create discord, etc. We just have different ways of seeing things.

I think we've both said our pieces, we can agree to disagree, and move on... It's not the end of the world....

Here we go again though...:(

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/m ... otest.html

So, cop 'thinks' this guy is doing a drug deal because he has out of state plates.... Suspect runs, and throws a gun away.... A cop shoots him and hits him in his arm... he then is on the ground, hands out, and is shot a second time in the heart. Prosecutors said the first shot was reasonable, but the second one was not, as he posed no threat...


and...



There you go...

They assumed he was still a threat, despite no evidence of such, so, for officer safety, and, you know, procedure and stuff, shoot him again...

and before the 'but, how do you know he had his hands up?'





The officer further stated that....



So, in his mind, once you start shooting, don't stop until you kill the person, apparently.... Even if the situation/dynamics change..Because the threat stopped, and he didn't....

Oh, and back to the reason for the stop??



Yup. He had GUESSED that he was involved in a drug deal because the car had out of state plates.... There wasn't even RAS/PC for the stop in the first place, you can't 'guess' that someone is dealing drugs because he has out of state plates, WTF!

But wait, there's more!



Oh, and later that night, sexually assaulted the man he was telling he could do whatever he wanted without repercussions....

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I see both of your points. Please stop making it personal.

I can empathize with both sides. I have a CCL. I have been on the wrong side of cops. I have known some really bad cops.

This is the real world we live in and I keep my hands on the steering wheel, and try to comply with orders.

You can't beat the ride, but you can beat the rap.

I'm not making it personal, to the contrary, I said we can agree to disagree and hug it out.. :D

Another vote for a thread lock

This is so simple guys. Don't tell cops you have a firearm UNLESS THEY ASK YOU. You reach for it, you win a Darwin award. End of thead.

He was required to tell them by state law.

No duty to inform in Minn, according to handgunlaw.us.

Do you have a different or more reliable source?

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Really?

OK.

By the way, thanks a lot.